[Tom]

Why do you keep going on about a meteorite? That proves nothing about it being in the centre of the Earth. Meteorites have hit other parts of the world as well, are they also the centre of the Earth?

[Very_Nayce]

Correct me if im wrong but dont we now accept that the earth is a sphere? And not flat? Therefore how could any point on its surface claim to be the center? Its like drawing a dot on a football with magic marker and calling it the center. Its not.

Sticks is right , the molten core is the center.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren
You have absolutely no respect for people of other faiths/no faith at all.

Quran tells muslim not abuse Gods of other religion:

[6:108] Do not abuse the idols they set up beside GOD, lest they blaspheme and abuse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done.

This verse says to muslims do not make a mockery of God of other religions as this is in itself blaspheming against God/Allah.

[Very_Nayce]

...so the mecca is NOT at the center of the earth.


Right?

[Sticks]

We will grant that it is the centre of Islam on a metaphoric level

[Tom]

Originally posted by farhad

Quran tells muslim not abuse Gods of other religion:

[6:108] Do not abuse the idols they set up beside GOD, lest they blaspheme and abuse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done.

This verse says to muslims do not make a mockery of God of other religions as this is in itself blaspheming against God/Allah.

The first commandment is 'Thou shalt have no other Gods before me' (Exodus 20), meaning do not worship any other God. So which religion is the "right" one to follow and which God should be worshipped? Religions are contradictory to eachother. Proof that they're non existent? Possibly.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Tom

The first commandment is 'Thou shalt have no other Gods before me' (Exodus 20), meaning do not worship any other God. So which religion is the "right" one to follow and which God should be worshipped? Religions are contradictory to eachother. Proof that they're non existent? Possibly.

In Quran it give people free choice to practise their own faith, No coumpulsion in Islam is stated, any forced conversion with the sword is totally forbidden in Islam. The teaching should be passed peacefully, not brutally.

[Kore]

Religions were written by ancient men and have been passed on and modified generation by generation. Each Religion has its faults and bad points.

Religion gives people hope and faith, but also creates hatred and war.

Are we better without religion whatsover?

[farhad]

Originally posted by Kore
Religions were written by ancient men and have been passed on and modified generation by generation. Each Religion has its faults and bad points.

Religion gives people hope and faith, but also creates hatred and war.

Are we better without religion whatsover?

What on earth are you talking about, the quran has remained in its original form, any differences can be due to mis-translations and reading it out of context. Religion isn't the problem, the certain followers are.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by farhad

What on earth are you talking about, the quran has remained in its original form, any differences can be due to mis-translations and reading it out of context. Religion isn't the problem, the certain followers are.

How do you know it's remained in its original form? How do we know what the original form was?

Who am I to believe the Qu'ran was a text given to Mohammed by Gabriel? Couldn't that be a myth in itself?

Also, Kore is right. It's been translated so much that some words don't have modern translation and so things have been modified to fit in.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
We will grant that it is the centre of Islam on a metaphoric level

Which isn't scientific, which abolishes farhads point alltogether.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Lauren
Which isn't scientific, which abolishes farhads point alltogether.

Unless you count anthropology as a science, although you may have a point.

[Tom]

Originally posted by farhad

In Quran it give people free choice to practise their own faith, No coumpulsion in Islam is stated, any forced conversion with the sword is totally forbidden in Islam. The teaching should be passed peacefully, not brutally.

Then again you are going against Allah. The amount of threads you make on here and the way you put your points across as 'facts' isn't teaching peacefully to me, its kind of brutal.

You're not a very good follower of this religion are you

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren

How do you know it's remained in its original form? How do we know what the original form was?

Who am I to believe the Qu'ran was a text given to Mohammed by Gabriel? Couldn't that be a myth in itself?

Also, Kore is right. It's been translated so much that some words don't have modern translation and so things have been modified to fit in.

Its because everybody during Prophet's time memorised the verses by heart, and and everything the Prophet revealed was immediately written down by the companions.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by farhad

Its because everybody during Prophet's time memorised the verses by heart, and and everything the Prophet revealed was immediately written down by the companions.

Says who? Am I meant to just blindly accept that?

This, for me, is the biggest downfall for any religion.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Tom

Then again you are going against Allah. The amount of threads you make on here and the way you put your points across as 'facts' isn't teaching peacefully to me, its kind of brutal.

My job as a muslim is to convey the truth, the message of God and Islam peacefully by inviting people into knowledge, but if people want to reject the truth then Quran gives them free choice as forced physical conversion is forbidden.

You're not a very good follower of this religion are you

I do follow my faith very well thankyou.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by farhad

My job as a muslim is to convey the truth, the message of God and Islam peacefully by inviting people into knowledge, but if people want to reject the truth then Quran gives them free choice as forced physical conversion is forbidden.

Ok, then I fully reject Islam as the truth. And the Qu'ran. So far I have not learned anything factual as to where it came from, or it's reliability or validity.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren

Says who? Am I meant to just blindly accept that?

This, for me, is the biggest downfall for any religion.

Its been proved many times, we got one of the copies of Quran book published back in late 6th century.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by farhad

Its been proved many times, we got one of the copies of Quran book published back in late 6th century.

With full valid truth that those writings are the Prophet Mohammed's messages to Gabriel? I accept it's impossible to prove, but this is why I shan't blindly believe it.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren

Ok, then I fully reject Islam as the truth. And the Qu'ran. So far I have not learned anything factual as to where it came from, or it's reliability or validity.

Thats entirely upto you if you want reject the creator after showing numerous miracles, as Quran says in 109 verse 1-6

Say, "O you unbelievers I do not worship what you worship, Nor do you worship what I worship. Nor will I ever worship what you worship, Nor will you ever worship what I worship, To you is your religion or your way, and to me is my religion."

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[farhad]

Originally posted by Lauren

Ok, then I fully reject Islam as the truth. And the Qu'ran. So far I have not learned anything factual as to where it came from, or it's reliability or validity.

This is a documentary which was shown on History channel on where quran came from, hope that helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc1qtoNpN5g

[Sticks]

My concern is like Mormonism, Islam fall foul of Galatians 1:6-9 as another gospel.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, but Islam just has him down as another prophet.

[Charleystar]

Originally posted by farhad
This is a documentary which was shown on History channel on where quran came from, hope that helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc1qtoNpN5g

thanx for that. very interesting documentary, and pretty informative

[SexualHeroics]

The truth is, the centre of the earth is where Hitler lives.

The earth is actually hollow and people have lived in it for thousands of years, atleast, on the inside surface. When Germany fell after the second world war Hitler and his closest henchmen escaped in a submarine under the Antarctic ice caps. He joined a subterranean master race with whom he now travels, inside UFOs through the centre of the hollow earth.

Evidence:

Youtube video

[Tom]

Originally posted by farhad

My job as a muslim is to convey the truth, the message of God and Islam peacefully by inviting people into knowledge, but if people want to reject the truth then Quran gives them free choice as forced physical conversion is forbidden.

The Qur'an can't be taken as the truth. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that, and there is no conclusive evidence to suggest any religion exists. You can't put forward the Qur'an as fact because it hasn't been proven to be correct. It just cheapens your whole argument. Quotes do not mean anything if they have not been proven to be valid. Again, this is showing evidence of brutal "teaching", not peaceful teaching. I say that because its as though you are trying to force your opinion upon us, not try and persuade us that your opinion is correct.

If forced physical conversation is forbidden, are there any "rules" against written conversation? I'm sure the internet and conversation over the internet counts as "physical" conversation, and you force us with many threads on Islam.

I do follow my faith very well thankyou.

You have contradicted yourself time and time again. You have said that such a thing is forbidden yet you've done it anyway. To me thats not a very good follower.