[Fom]

Originally posted by Angiebabe

Well blow me down, I could take the same photo, almost every morning of my own daughters bedroom and become a multi millionaire by next wednesday afternoon.
Thanks for the idea, why i never thought of that before god only knows ......................

Is your daughter going though depression and thinking of suicide and wont leave the bed?
I must admit the photo is rubbish, but this as an exhibition... is a lot more insightful.

[Deirdre]

It's actually pretty cool when you hear the story behind it

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Fom


Is your daughter going though depression and thinking of suicide and wont leave the bed?
I must admit the photo is rubbish, but this as an exhibition... is a lot more insightful.

I dont see the relevance of my daughters lifestyle, this is a about a painting isnt it? and whether its deemed as "art".

Or can I go straight to the X factor finals by having cancer and without singing a single note?

[30stone]

Selling My Messy room just £96,760

Bargin.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Angiebabe

I dont see the relevance of my daughters lifestyle, this is a about a painting isnt it? and whether its deemed as "art".

Or can I go straight to the X factor finals by having cancer and without singing a single note?

No I mean thats the back story behind the piece... thats what the bed means. I think a journey on the x factor and a journey to a climax of an art piece is 2 different things.

This woman was so depressed she never left her bed, her blood covered knickers were over her bedroom but she didnt care, the empty bottles and cigarrette packages just show how depressed she got.
I cant believe Ive changed my opinion on this so much... but its amazing what a bit of research can do!

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Fom


No I mean thats the back story behind the piece... thats what the bed means. I think a journey on the x factor and a journey to a climax of an art piece is 2 different things.

This woman was so depressed she never left her bed, her blood covered knickers were over her bedroom but she didnt care, the empty bottles and cigarrette packages just show how depressed she got.
I cant believe Ive changed my opinion on this so much... but its amazing what a bit of research can do!

I must say Fom, you've done a great job in your argument you have me looking back and reconsidering, definately not going to be as harsh the next time.
Well done Fom

[Ruth]

Art is subjective. Anything can be called art if that's the way people perceive it.

However, if the question is 'does this take talent to produce?' I would have to say no. I wouldn't give Tracey Emin the time of day, either as an artist or as a person.

[Sticks]

This was my contribution to modern art







I call it "The Leaning Tower of Knicker Bocker Glories". The three segments came from Knicker Bocker glories sold from an ice cream van in the 1990's, and the top bit used to contain mini Smarties.

[Barbie]

it is art but i dont like it... we did tracy emin in college... her art is vile

[Novo]

Originally posted by Sticks
This was my contribution to modern art







I call it "The Leaning Tower of Knicker Bocker Glories". The three segments came from Knicker Bocker glories sold from an ice cream van in the 1990's, and the top bit used to contain mini Smarties.

i would rather buy your art for 150,000 then that mess

[\PJ/]

It depends what you look for in art really.

[GiRTh]

Of course its art. If art is the expression of a creative thought then art can be whatever you want it to be.

[Mrluvaluva]

An installation such as this has a story behind it. It makes you think, as all art does. For me, this always made me think of the life behind the piece. The life of the person who slept in that bed and the goings on in it. I would not pay £150,000 for it though.

Art is different for everyone. Some people like portraits for example. Others like abstract and so on. Look how well Damian Hirst has done recently with his 2 day auction.

Art is actually a very good investment too especially when created by prolific artists such as Tracey Emmin.

[ange7]

yes it is ... why wouldn't it be?
Not "pretty" enough? Art doesn't have to be beautiful.
Maybe because some people don't get it? Well a lot of people don't understand a lot of stuff... that's not proof of anything. ( except that they need to get out of the house more and go easy on the Knicker Bocker glories).
Maybe people don't think it's art because it doesn't have a "message".Just because a piece doesn't communicate something doesn't mean that it's not art. ( btw this does)

If people here hated Emin's bed then what would they think of this?

Marcel Duchamp's 1917 work "Fountain".
it's a urinal!! ... worth US$2 mil, tate modern and.... it is ART! ... whether you like it or not. In fact his point was "what is art"... at least it's how a read it. Can something you p*** into be art? What about if you take the urinal out of it normal everyday context of a public toilet and move it to an art gallery...is it art now?..and who decides?... He was asking those question of normal everyday "found objects" in 1917.

[NettoSuperstar!]

It might be art but I wouldnt buy it! I mean where would you put the damn thing?

[ange7]

no nor would I ... but if I had a lazy 2 million and hated Duchamp then I'd install it in the bathroom and do a p**s in it hehe.

[Fom]

Originally posted by bbE
It might be art but I wouldnt buy it! I mean where would you put the damn thing?

Something tells me it was bought by a gallery... not a private owner.

[Fom]

Ok here is one to make your minds wander a little bit... we had a presentation about these kind of "Art pieces" and this one is pure pathetic in my own opinion... although I am sure if I was there at that moment it would be more special?

Its a 4.33 min musical piece without any music notes... and its classed as art?

Youtube video

My tutor raised the point... art is anything with a frame round it (Metaphotically) For example John Cage put a frame around silence and it became art... Emin put a frame round a messy bed and its art. Its weird but true.

The most bizarre thing about John Cage's "4.33" is that its actually sold as an MP3 =/

[King]

Yeah because it's very self expressive.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fom

My bed
[/i]By Tracey Emmin[/i]

A little about the artist and the work:
"Tracey Emin shows us her own bed, in all its embarrassing glory. Empty booze bottles, fag butts, stained sheets, worn panties: the bl***y aftermath of a nervous breakdown. By presenting her bed as art, Tracey Emin shares her most personal space, revealing she’s as insecure and imperfect as the rest of the world."

This piece of art sold for £150,000!


The debate
Is this art? What makes this so good? Does it mean anything to you or is it just a messy bed?

I remember this a few years ago. It caused a major talking point becuase it won the Tate prize I think.


Yeah I can see art in this, because of the story behind it. It is not everyday art, but contemporary Art.

[pinkmichk]

since this was first posted i have changed my view yes its art just not my bag at all
as for that 4.33 seems slightly bizarre but agree with you fom that being there to witness it would have given a totally different perspective

[Fom]

Here is another one to rack your brains! I am completely and utterly disgusted by this one... and I disagree 100% that this is art.

THE STORY:

In 2007, the 'artist' Guillermo Vargas Habacuc, took a dog from the street, tied him to a rope in an art gallery and began starving him to death.

For several days, the 'artist' and the visitors of the exhibition watched, emotionless, the shameful 'masterpiece' based on the dog's agony, until eventually he died.

Does THIS sound like art to you?

But this is not all... the prestigious Visual Arts Biennial of Central America decided that the 'installation' WAS actually art, so Guillermo Vargas Habacuc has been invited to repeat his cruel action for the Biennial of 2008.

Let's STOP HIM!!!!!
Sign the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html

Here is another petition that is 2 million signatures strong. Please feel free to sign it as well:
http://www.petitiononline.com/13031953/petition.html

Please do it. It's free of charge, there is no need to register, and it will only take 1 minute to save the life of an innocent creature.

AND, for those of you saying "This is all a hoax, etc," here is a direct quote FROM THE 'ARTIST' himself!:
"I knew the dog died on the following day from lack of food. During the inauguration, I knew that the dog was persecuted in the evening between the houses of aluminum and cardboard in a district of Managua. 5 children who helped to capture the dog received 10 bonds of córdobas for their assistance. The name of the dog was Natividad, and I let him die of hunger in the sight of everyone, as if the death of a poor dog was a shameless media show in which nobody does anything but to applaud or to watch disturbed. In the place that the dog was exposed remain a metal cable and a cord. The dog was extremely ill and did not want to eat, so in natural surroundings it would have died anyway; thus they are all poor stray dogs: sooner or later they die or are killed."

And here is an actual comment of a fan... its disgusting, and people try and pass it off as art... even if it does make us evoke an emotion, an animal has died for our entertainment. Its not art... its animal abuse being covered up as if its acceptable to do these kind of things!

This man is a genius. stop and think about how this is making you feel. Art is often defined by he emotion that it expresses and/ or invokes on is viewers. This masterpiece has done both... by expressing the extreme in despair and solitude, and invoking pure distaste and hatred for the piece and its creator, and even the viewer himself is disgusted by his or her peers. and yet there is nothing you can do to end it. How closed minded can you be?

[rayheartbliss]

usually apreciates any of an artist's work buh these..i dont see any art on them...in small sences it has art on it...buh it wouldnt be a piece ^,^

[LemonJam]

As you know, I'm a fan of the first one, but that one with the dog is just ****ing sick.

[dupin]

The second one is art, but whether it's work killing a dog for art is entirely debatable, and most, including me, would say that it's an awful art piece.