[Sticks]

First of all, let me declare an interest

I was Miss Goody's appointed Cyber Devil's Advocate in 2002. I was also recalled to represent her during the CBB.

I do not think that to this day, she realises I was on her support team.

Jade, like other women was a victim of medical incompetance which has lead her to where she is.

She is being criticised for highlighting this, saying she should shut up and keep quiet. Oh yes let's just sweep this all under the carpet, let's just let those who messed up off the hook shall we?

When Craig Philips, brought to light the shabby treatment that people with Downs get from the medical profession, was he castigated? Is there a double standard here?

As for Annie's question about treating this like a joke, this is called gallows humour, and is well documented, in fact when Sir Walter Raleigh was about to be executed, he looked at the axe that was to behead him and comented, "It is a sharp cure, but a sure one for all ills".

As for the interviews, thanks to the gutter press concocting a "racism" accusation out of nothing, her earning potentials were wiped out. Now I was her Cyber Devil's Advocate, I had to study the actions of my client, and I saw on CBB that she was just classic Jade, no more no less, the racism was spin by an irresponsible tabloid media. Gazebo's point is therefore valid, she has to provide for her children, somehow especially when the father of her children is currently unavailable

As for going on CBB, she was instructed to do so by her agent who thought it would be good for her. That is why she fired him.

My client admits she is no angel, but this Jade hate industry is tiresome, especially when there are two innocent lives there who are about to have their world shattered, if it is not already.

[ange7]

the scariest post on tibb so far.....

"thanks to the gutter press concocting a "racism" accusation out of nothing"

Sticks.... SHE said she was racist and apologised for it... and of course she clearly was.

"My client admits she is no angel....." !?!?!?!?! your client?

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Sticks
Jade, like other women was a victim of medical incompetance which has lead her to where she is.

She is being criticised for highlighting this, saying she should shut up and keep quiet. Oh yes let's just sweep this all under the carpet, let's just let those who messed up off the hook shall we?

Thing is Sticks, I haven't seen Jade doing anything to try and highlight the medical incompetence you speak of. Sure, she has mentioned that the cancer was missed (although she has contradicted herself on that point), but she has only mentioned it in terms of herself. It's not as if she is doing anything to try and help others. When the singer Anastascia had breast cancer, she set up a foundation to make others aware of the disease and to raise fund to heighten awareness.

When Craig Philips, brought to light the shabby treatment that people with Downs get from the medical profession, was he castigated? Is there a double standard here?

No, there isn't a double standard, and anyone looking at the two instances with a more objective outlook could see that. Craig was on the first Big Brother. The moment he was out of the house, he told his friend Jo that he was giving her all of his winnings. He had no idea at that point how successful the show had been, or whether he would make any benefit from this himself. And pardon me if I'm wrong, but Craig hasn't exactly been giving interviews left right and centre has he? Jade has done nothing to promote the failings of the health industry.

As for Annie's question about treating this like a joke, this is called gallows humour, and is well documented, in fact when Sir Walter Raleigh was about to be executed, he looked at the axe that was to behead him and comented, "It is a sharp cure, but a sure one for all ills".

I actually disagree that Jade is treating it like a joke, which means that by default I have to disagree with your calling what Jade is doing "gallows humour" (although I am of course familiar with the term - I just don't think it applies in this instance). I should imagine that if Jade had the choice between having and not having cancer, she would choose not to have it - who wouldn't?! - but she does have it, and she is determined to milk it for all she can. Of course, she is represented by the odious Max Clifford, who is probably also rubbing his hands together in glee.

As for the interviews, thanks to the gutter press concocting a "racism" accusation out of nothing, her earning potentials were wiped out. Now I was her Cyber Devil's Advocate, I had to study the actions of my client, and I saw on CBB that she was just classic Jade, no more no less, the racism was spin by an irresponsible tabloid media. Gazebo's point is therefore valid, she has to provide for her children, somehow especially when the father of her children is currently unavailable

Please explain how the father of her children is currently unavailable. I was under the impression that he had them with him for much of the time when she was unable to have them due to receiving treatment. And besides, even if he is for some reason physically unable to look after them right now - are you saying that he does not provide financially for them? You don't have the final say on whether Jade was racist or not - nobody does. People have different opinions and always will do. However, what is indisputable is that Jade treated Shilpa in a vile and reprehensible manner. I agree with you that it was "classic Jade" - and "classic Jade" is nothing to be proud of.

As for going on CBB, she was instructed to do so by her agent who thought it would be good for her. That is why she fired him.

My client admits she is no angel, but this Jade hate industry is tiresome, especially when there are two innocent lives there who are about to have their world shattered, if it is not already.

But Sticks - are you saying that Jade has no mind of her own? She went on to CBB because her agent told her to and she was powerless to resist? And is it her agent's fault that she behaved in a vile manner while she was on the show?

As the two innocent lives - yes, I feel sorry for her children...more than anyone else involved in this whole saga. They are truly innocent. That is why it baffles me that Jade bangs on and on about wanting to protect them from the truth about her illness, yet appears on loads of trash rags talking about it. Surely her actions and her words are in direct conflict with each other. If you want to keep something from those closest to you, why publicly tell the rest of the world about it?

[letmein]

Originally posted by Brekkie
Has she sold the rights to OK! yet?

They'll probably make a show around her having to pick out a casket and a burial plot. They'll have people call in and vote. "Where does she get buried? You decide."

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by ange7
the scariest post on tibb so far.....

"thanks to the gutter press concocting a "racism" accusation out of nothing"

Sticks.... SHE said she was racist and apologised for it... and of course she clearly was.

"My client admits she is no angel....." !?!?!?!?! your client?

Jade said (and I quote) "I didn't say it in a racial way, I do not judge people by the colour of their skin."

Shilpa said (and I quote) "Actually, I take that back. People say things in a fit of anger and I stand corrected, so I don't want people to think and feel that way. Please clarify and put this as a statement - that I don't feel there was any racial discrimination happening from Jade's end."

These are the facts.

[Ruth]

Actually I don't think Jade was racist towards Shilpa. She made some racially motivated remarks, but more out of ignorance than racism.

I still think she is a vile bully though.

[pinkmichk]

i feel for her having to deal with cancer i really do but surely she should be spending precious time with her sons instead of jumping at every interview chance going look at the marked difference between kylie and jade the press was told she had it then she took time out to fight it have treatment etc which is what jade should be doing imo its hardly the best thing to be cashing in on

[WoopieGeorge]

Terrible thing to happen.
I love Jade Goody.
And seriously hope she doesn't die!

Who agrees?

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[Glenn.]

Originally posted by letmein

They'll probably make a show around her having to pick out a casket and a burial plot. They'll have people call in and vote. "Where does she get buried? You decide."

Thats quite funny, couldnt help but laugh!

[Brekkie]

Originally posted by WoopieGeorge
Terrible thing to happen.
I love Jade Goody.
And seriously hope she doesn't die!

Who agrees?

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Mmmm.... everybody dies. Why should Jade Goody be any different?

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by Brekkie

Mmmm.... everybody dies. Why should Jade Goody be any different?

My view exactly. Its bad that shes got cancer I know, but like I say so do a million other women.

[Mrluvaluva]

Jade is a public figure in the media spotlight. Of course they are going to report it. It makes the media money. Do you think they care about her? As long as the public continue to buy all these magazines/newspapers etc carrying her stories, then she is going to be out there and the media making their money.

[AngRemembered]

Its always a difficult dillema when facing a life threatening illness like this, what do you do? and when?

A lot do care about Jade(whatever you think about that its true) that she cant simply e-mail or call and its news of her that people would want to know.

I have not always got it right Ive pulled out of games on this site thinking what others may be thinking, thats my problem.... thankfully though Jade has got right this time.
So what of people, and what they think?, the people who like you will be grateful you have been honest, the people who dont will ALWAYS see this as some other motive.
I can empathise with Jade to a lesser degree and I fully understand her reasons why she'd want this to go public you dont get or want a deadly disease as a publicity stunt thats for sure.
I havent gone as far as to plan my own funeral but reading this I think its a good idea, either way I cant quite see how this would make people more anti Jade than before, that says more about them than it does her.

[Indierock&roll]

i really hope she gets better, i dont like her but still this is horrible to read and i feel so sorry for her

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Its always a difficult dillema when facing a life threatening illness like this, what do you do? and when?

A lot do care about Jade(whatever you think about that its true) that she cant simply e-mail or call and its news of her that people would want to know.

I have not always got it right Ive pulled out of games on this site thinking what others may be thinking, thats my problem.... thankfully though Jade has got right this time.
So what of people, and what they think?, the people who like you will be grateful you have been honest, the people who dont will ALWAYS see this as some other motive.
I can empathise with Jade to a lesser degree and I fully understand her reasons why she'd want this to go public you dont get or want a deadly disease as a publicity stunt thats for sure.
I havent gone as far as to plan my own funeral but reading this I think its a good idea, either way I cant quite see how this would make people more anti Jade than before, that says more about them than it does her.

it's not the fact that she's gone public that I object to.

It's the fact that she constantly contradicts herself.

It's the fact that she says she wants to protect her children from the truth about her illness, yet she's happy to give interviews to every trash rag around - if you want to keep something from those closest to you, why tell the world about it?

It's the fact that she says nobody is good enough to look after her children except her. Yet, she was happy to go off to do Big Boss for what could have been months, while leaving her children here.

It's the fact that she says she needs the money to raise her children because she doesn't have a husband supporting her. I want to know - and so far nobody has answered this - whether she is implicitly saying that the boys' father does not pay towards their upkeep? He certain sees a lot of those boys, so I find it difficult to believe that he does not contribute.

It's the fact that she is a known liar and a known bully.

I would not wish cancer on anyone - I've said that before, and I mean it still. But sometimes nasty people get cancer too. This is one of those occasions. I'm not going to suddenly turn around and declare that Jade is terrific and wonderful because she has an illness - how patronising and false would that be?

Ange - I agree with what you have written about other subjects, but it is a bit insulting to suggest that people not liking Jade says more about them then about her. As someone who has never liked her (I can't help that - I just don't like bullies and liars), I don't like the suggestion that that makes me a less than decent person.

I do hope Jade makes a full recovery. I also hope I never have to see her face on the cover of any magazine or newspaper ever again.

And of course, I have no doubt that if Jade could have chosen not to have this illness, she would not have had it. But the very fact that she is now represented by Max Clifford shows that she is deliberately milking this situation for all it's worth.

[Nurse57]

"Jade, like other women was a victim of medical incompetance"

So it has gone before the GMC and they have reported this to be the case?

As harsh as it sounds, I just don't care.

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by Gazbo

I admire that everytime something bad happens to her she manages to bounce back.

1.Mother looses the use of right arm when Jade was five and Jade has to become her primary carer

2.Sinks into a serious depression due to the nation being tricked by papers - who ferociously misquoted her - claiming she is a racist.

3.Boyfriend gets sent to jail for more than a year less than a month after she was diagnosed with cancer, which it was later revealed to have been in her body for more than TWO years before they noticed despite her having regular tests.

Not to mention that she managed to turn the nation round on their opinion after she was evicted in 2002 when she had been branded a pig and a minger. The same girl who was a pig and had hate campaigns against her had four successful TV shows, two perfumes, two books and regular media coverage, whilst being a single mother to two young boys.

THAT is why I admire her.

i agree

[Annie]

You would think if she was having tests to see if she had cancer - she wouldnt be thinking about going on an indian BB.
Then if you did have it - you wouldnt want the results to be shown on TV..

AND THEN!!

If you did have it and people found out.. you would then try and stay out the public eye and sort yourself out emotionally and physically! Not tell people on what she is planning to have at the funeral!
She should be fighting it and wanting to survive - not planning after death.

What an actual muppet!

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Ruth


Ange - I agree with what you have written about other subjects, but it is a bit insulting to suggest that people not liking Jade says more about them then about her. As someone who has never liked her (I can't help that - I just don't like bullies and liars), I don't like the suggestion that that makes me a less than decent person.

I agree with all you have said, I too am no lover of Jade, and never have been.
That comment was more for those who have been extreme in there hatefullness towards her, and not merely critical, thats my fault for not making that clear.

I actually agree with a lot of the critisims left in this thread that have been well argued, yours in particular are most valid.
I certainly didnt wish to call anyone or imply anyone is less decent a person for not liking or not sympathising with Jade..that would make myself less decent too ...
Just some of the hate towards her and her condition has been hard to read, when it gets so personally close to my own predicament.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Ruth
I would never wish cancer on anyone. However, I feel Jade's conduct of late leaves a lot to be desired.

She says that nobody is good enough to look after her children except her. Yet, she was happy enough to leave them while she went off to film Big Boss.

She says that she has to do constant interviews because she 'doesn't have a husband to support her' (this is 2008 Jade)! and she needs the money to raise her children. Is she suggesting that Jeff Brazier does not support his children financially?

She says that she wants to protect her children from the truth about her illness. Fair enough - or at least it would be if she wasn't on the cover of every single sodding magazine giving 'exclusive' interviews about it. If she really didn't want them to know, she ought to keep her mouth shut.

Sorry if this sounds harsh - I do hope she makes a full recovery, but it doesn't mean I have to like her. I never have, and I'm not going to suddenly turn around now and decide that she's alright after all. A lot of people believe she is lying about her cancer - personally I don't believe that at all, but I certainly think she is behaving with no dignity whatsoever.

Gazbo - I'm not trying to start an argument with you, and I respect your opinions, but what is it about Jade that makes her your idol? I can't understand what she has ever done to earn admiration from other people. (Edit - don't worry I have now read your other post where she answered that question). I still don't understand why she is your idol though - what has she ever done to try and help anyone other than herself?

1.To be fair, leaving you kids for a couple of months and leaving your kids for a life time is completely different.

2.Considering Jeff doesn't actually have a job, past hosting late night bingo on Living TV, I'd say yeah, he doesn't exactly bring home the bacon.

Sorry to sound as if I'm arguing, I'm just trying to keep it level on both sides.

And to answer your question, I admire her for being able to get to where she is now, after all she has gone through, after being evicted to hatred TWICE and having the most horrific upbringing. She's self made, yes BB helped her but you could say the same thing about any other housemate but none bar Brian Dowling have even come close to her success. I know I could emotionally take what she has had to and come out of it as good as she has, that is why I admire.

A question to you though; why doesn't someone have to help others in order to be considered admirable?

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by ange7
the scariest post on tibb so far.....

"thanks to the gutter press concocting a "racism" accusation out of nothing"

Sticks.... SHE said she was racist and apologised for it... and of course she clearly was.

"My client admits she is no angel....." !?!?!?!?! your client?

Firstly, she never said she was racist, she said she was a bully but ever maintained she was not racist

Secondly, he was speaking metaphorically.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Annie
You would think if she was having tests to see if she had cancer - she wouldnt be thinking about going on an indian BB.
Then if you did have it - you wouldnt want the results to be shown on TV..

AND THEN!!

If you did have it and people found out.. you would then try and stay out the public eye and sort yourself out emotionally and physically! Not tell people on what she is planning to have at the funeral!
She should be fighting it and wanting to survive - not planning after death.

What an actual muppet!

She said that the doctors had given her the all clear and that she would never have gone into the house had there been a glimmer of doubt.

[Tom]

I don't actually mind Jade but it is getting quite pathetic the way she is exploiting her illness in the media to earn a bit of money but annoying the hell out of everyone in the process.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Gazbo

She said that the doctors had given her the all clear and that she would never have gone into the house had there been a glimmer of doubt.

But I read her saying that she knew that there was a chance that she might have the illness when she went to India

I still think if she really wanted to protect her children from 'the truth' about her illness, she wouldn't be on loads of magazines talking about it.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Angiebabe

I agree with all you have said, I too am no lover of Jade, and never have been.
That comment was more for those who have been extreme in there hatefullness towards her, and not merely critical, thats my fault for not making that clear.

I actually agree with a lot of the critisims left in this thread that have been well argued, yours in particular are most valid.
I certainly didnt wish to call anyone or imply anyone is less decent a person for not liking or not sympathising with Jade..that would make myself less decent too ...
Just some of the hate towards her and her condition has been hard to read, when it gets so personally close to my own predicament.

I do agree with you and I wasn't trying to be argumentative. You are one of the voices of reason on here