[arista]

Originally posted by andyman

Go on mate you could do it... Sounds like you hate America anyway, you could use a BBC van.

GW.Bush was the Problem he started the wrong way forward,
I do not need to touch America
they have many Self Destruct public people.

I have been in America it is a Great Nation,
but once Bush invaded Iraq dragging the UK in with it,
I can then see, another 9/11 - only bigger next time.

[Sticks]

Debates about 9/11 and the Iraq war should be addressed in a separate thread, this is about the two atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The situation was that projected casualties from an invasion on the military and civilian populations were incredibly high.

The problem with the Japanese at the time was their mentality. I remember a story where a man offered to serve his emperor as a Kamikaze pilot. He was told he could not as he had a wife and children. Later he reported for duty saying how his wife had killed her children and then committed suicide so he could be free to serve the emperor.

That attitude is probably why the casualty projections were so high. Only after the second bomb did the emperor issue the surrender order, bypassing the generals who would have insisted on fighting to the very bitter end, which is exactle what happened in Berlin under the Nazi regime.

If you look up the images of Berlin just after WWII, they look very similar.

Incidentally, one of the other Axis powers, Italy had a monarch whom the people of Italy could appeal to. It was him who sacked the Italian government and replaced it with one who asked for unconditional surrender and thus saved Italy from the kind of destruction heaped on Berlin.

Returning to Japan, it is an unavoidable irony of history that in the long run, the two bombs, shortened the war and saved many lives on both sides.

As for the cold war, the legacy of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was that by showing what nuclear weapons could do helped keep us from going nuclear. It is also another irony of history that because of nuclear weapons and the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction the bomb managed to keep the peace in Europe for many years.

The Balkan wars happened after the fall of Communism and the Soviet Union between parties who did not have nuclear weapons.

[arista]

Yes Sticks that history of Japanese Pilots
shows how Japan Inspired
the Saudi Killers of 9/11.