[lily.]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Oh yes it will and sooner than we think. It's the national hot topic right now. It's a priority in Sarkozy's mind. And he's right to be honest. I'm a christian and I'm not alowed to show a cross so why would those muslim women do have the right to expose their religion choices ? Unfair.

People in high places are over-sensitive to the muslim religion.

I don't think muslims should be treated worse than non-muslims, but nor do I think they should be treated better.

Also, someone raised a good point about adapting to the country you live in. I totally agree with that. I hate when someone goes to one of the countries with strict moral laws, then complains they can't get their tits out on the beach. If you don't like the law of the land, don't go there.

It's about respecting the country and the laws of that country. I wouldn't go and live in a lot of countries of the world, because I don't agree with their laws/customs. If muslim women (or those who think for them) wish to wear their burkhas, they should live in a country where that's acceptable practice.

[arista]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Care to elaborate ?

France is a Catholic Nation
of Farmers
so it is Typical.

[30stone]

Originally posted by lili

It changed? I didn't know.

Yes apparently people who are born after 1992 have to be 18 now,

I think. Thats just what i was told the other week.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : arista

France is a Catholic Nation
of Farmers
so it is Typical.

We're not in 1800 anymore you know. Things have changed.

And we aren't all farmers lol Less than UK if you ask me.

[Matt08]

Originally posted by 30stone

Yes apparently people who are born after 1992 have to be 18 now,

I think. Thats just what i was told the other week.

Yeah, that's right.

[lily.]

Oh, cheers Ben.. hadn't heard about that. I wonder if it applies in Scotland too.


-I passed my test in 1992- lol

[lily.]

arista, I find your generalisations about France quite offensive.

[arista]

Originally posted by lili
arista, I find your generalisations about France quite offensive.

Having been in France
I know there attitude stinks.




Sign Of The Times.

[arista]

Capt.Remy
France thinks like Farmers.
That is the problem.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : arista
Capt.Remy
France thinks like Farmers.
That is the problem.

Right. I think you reached your lowest point of 'French frog' but it looks like you're digging your hole deeper....Mr Roast Beef.

We may be very conservative but at least we have a government which does actually things and spared us of that huge financial crisis. Well, we're less affected than the rest thanks to our government. If we were all farmers we would have been right dead.
Now tell me, who between British and French are the biggest farmers huh ?

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : arista

Having been in France
I know there attitude stinks.




Sign Of The Times.

We know that, we're the worst tourists in the whole world and the less welcoming of all but still, it's the most visited country in the world.

Back on topic now, just tell me how that law is bad Arista. And in a full paragraph please, not 2 sentences that don't mean anything.

[arista]

Our Farmers have scalled down
due to lack of proper funding.



Roast Beef is Cool.


The French Company Total in the UK can do things
they can not in the Farming Nation of France.

[arista]

The law is Typical of France
who are changing under New Political Directions.
More will come,
it will keep them in power
so I can see why he does it.





EU Mess
upsets French Farmers.

[monkeyking87]

I saw this on the news last night. Had a bit of an argument about it with my housemate. He said they should all pack off home and they have no right and went on a rather vulgar foreigner rant.

As I foreigner in France I can sympathise with these people however it doesn't mean I agree. I'm against the somewhat "Danielle Llyod" views but when we look at it in black and white the law is the law.

I'm no fan of Sarko but for once I actually agree. The one thing I love about France is that there is no actual religion, no desire to know one's religion and everyone is equal because of that. Coming from a very broken island it's very refreshing to see a no tolerance act on anything remotely religious. Repeating what lots of people have said you live by the laws of the land. France is a brave modern country daring to remind people that we are not living in the days where Rome was Emperor of the World and showing that equality for everyone is more important than being afraid of relaitve minorities who do their best to topple the apple cart.

I've been in France for almost a year now. I love this country and will be forever grateful for the opprtunites I have been given. I hope to spend my life here or if not another few years at least. I really don't think I or any other newcomers to France have the right to moan and complain because IMO they should be very grateful that another country would have them especially one that has such strict immagration laws as France.

[arista]

Yes
I can see how you see France as being Brave.

[lily.]

Well said Patrick!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Oh yes it will and sooner than we think. It's the national hot topic right now. It's a priority in Sarkozy's mind. And he's right to be honest. I'm a christian and I'm not alowed to show a cross so why would those muslim women do have the right to expose their religion choices ? Unfair.

I didnt know the laws were so strict.. I suppose that is a much fairer system than the general ethnis bias that exists in this contry. I thought that because there was a large influx of immigrants from Africa that France had more or less the same laws as the UK.

[monkeyking87]

Originally posted by arista
Yes
I can see how you see France as being Brave.

Good then!

Case Closed!


Cheers lil!

[JOSHUAH!]

I think people should be able to show their religion, its so dumb Christian's can't wear a cross.

In soloution to all of this, why not just let everybody wear what they want -I totally don't agree with a banning of the Burkha, its stereotypical. Yes, its a defence in a way - we can't really see facial expressions, BUT the whole point of a Burkha is that the woman doesn't wish for herself to be seen because she doesn't want men drooling over her.

Its just personal choice - like the Hijab, I know someone who wears that, and yes its much less defensive than the Burkha because the woman is only covering her hair and neck, but its just down to personal choice. France cannot just ORDER these people to forget their religion - it should be a multi-racial country with a mix of religions and cultures, and if it includes wearing a Burkha, Hijab, Cross, Sari, whatever, it should be allowed.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Matt08

Yeah, that's right.

It hasn't, its a myth that goes around every year, it was even there when I was 16 saying anyone born in 89 onwards will have to be 18 to drive, and even on the DVLA site it has people down as 17 years old to get a provisional and half of the people born in 1992 will be 17 now anyway. Its like the drinking age is going up to 21 myth.

Anyway I actually agree with the ban on them, I find them quite intimidating tbh and I'm not easy intimidated. I've got no problem with the other ones where you can see their face. I don't like not being able to see peoples faces.

[monkeyking87]

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!
I think people should be able to show their religion, its so dumb Christian's can't wear a cross, yet Muslim women can wear Burkha's.

In soloution to all of this, why not just let everybody wear what they want -I totally don't agree with a banning of the Burkha, its stereotypical. Yes, its a defence in a way - we can't really see facial expressions, BUT the whole point of a Burkha is that the woman doesn't wish for herself to be seen because she doesn't want men drooling over her.

Its just personal choice - like the Hijab, I know someone who wears that, and yes its much less defensive because the woman is only covering her hair and neck, but its just down to personal choice. France cannot just ORDER these people to forget their religion - it should be a multi-racial country with a mix of religions and cultures, and if it includes wearing a Burkha, Hijab, Cross, Sari, whatever, it should be allowed.

I see your point however I don't really agree. If you let everyone do what they want where do we draw the line? Creating huge cities and areas were everyone's "choice" is to elminate anyone who doesn't wear a burka or a cross or who doesn't identify with a social norm or religious group?

I think you'll find that France can do pretty much whatever it wants. It isn't breaching anyone's right to practice a religion in fact it is liberating the population to create a country of equals instead of walking on eggshells around certain groups of people. Case in point being the UK which has arguably become one of the most overly PC country in the world.

People can do what they like in their own homes and dress in whatever fashion they want. In France you can be fined for walking down a street with no top on. I was shocked to hear this and don't agree with it.

I had 2 choices:
Accept it and respect the law of the land
or
Leave

I suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with the laws of the land finds a new country with laws that are more suited to them.

[Captain.Remy]

Thanks Patrick for that. It's refreshing to hear that from a foreigner's point of view.

[letmein]

Governent should not be dictating what people can wear for religious purposes UNLESS they're doing it for safety concern. If your face is covered, criminals can get through security undetected.

France is an absolute mess. They tried to prosecute Bridget Bardot for her anti-Muslim views. She actually had to go to court in France. Give me a break.

[Tom4784]

I think if they do that then it should be equal for all other religions too.

Either ban religious clothing and items in public altogether or have all religious items and clothing allowed. It's only fair that in a democracy a individual should be allowed to practice their religion if they choose to. I can see where they are coming from with the health angle but surely it's a decision for the individuals?

[lily.]

Religious clothing and items are already banned in public Dean. Remy says he isn't allowed to wear a cross.

So, with that in mind, it should be one rule for all.