[Striptease]

if you dislike Karly you have to dislike Lisa too. They are 24/7 together, they have always the same opinion, the same thoughts, same EVERYTHING!

[Cybele]

Lisa is a puppetmaster.

Let me give you a different scenario. A mafia boss sends a hitman out to kill someone. Who is the more evil? The person who follows the order to kill? Or the person who sits back and lets other people do the job while they get no blood on their hands? They enjoy the benefits without having to appear guilty (even though they are).

That is the relationship of Lisa and Karly. Lisa is the mob boss and Karly is the (verbal) hit man.

[rediscool]

Originally posted by yousoboo!
Lisa stands at the sidelines and eggs on people into having arguments. Then she sits back and enjoys watching the carnage. Plus she was hideous to Freddie during the first 4 weeks of the series.

That is true.

[BB_Eye]

She is quite obviously a bully. I thought we had all established this now.

[=-Incognito-=]

I dislike Karly more. Lisa however is ultimately responsible for the loss of Angel and will be punished for her show-ruining ways.

[Beastie]

a few need to be booted out!! the worst part is that team nasty are slowly being booted out 1 by 1!! its about time for a double eviction

[ManicWolf]

Both Karly and Lisa are sour-faced bullies. They've both been awful to Freddie for no good reason. The only time I ever see Lisa smile is when she's getting involved in arguments and/or ganging up on people.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Bombardier
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.

Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary.

Nicely put.

When the series ends I'm sure her minnions will wonder how she ever managed to manipulate them. The likes of Sophie, Karly and Charlie need to distance themselves from her before they're all picked off.

[Beastie]

karly out this week?? lisa out next?

lmao!! quite a few new girls need to enter!!!

the current females are dropping like flies!

[bbisfun]

Originally posted by rediscool
I'm not saying I'm a fan or anything but I don't quite understand all this Lisa hatred. I haven't actually SEEN any strong examples of her manipulation. I've heard the housemates say it lots but I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I'm not watching live, or maybe I'm just blind. To be honest I dislike Karly more, which is a change from at the beginning...

Any examples anyone?

Lisa: "His getting strong again"

Those were words ushered by Lisa in regards to Freddie, this woman knew her and the bully bunch broke him down that she had to inform her gang he was on the rise again. This woman is vile and evil and she needs to go.

[sheephater]

Must be blind as a bat.Lisa from day one wanted Freddie out because he is a rich toff,never gave him a chance....Se sits about and bitches with Karly everyday etc etc.....could say more but getting bored now!!!

[CaPPa]

Lisa was orchestrating the nominations by bad mouthing people. It seemed like every week before they would nominate Lisa would be sitting with her group talking about people and then low and behold they would all nominate the people that they'd just been talking about.

She also demands that others give her respect, yet has no respect for anyone else. With Halfwit she had decided to not like him from the get go and would tell him to shut up without even listening to what he was saying. That is just ignorant.

The only entertainment that I've gotten from Lisa so far is her shocked look when one of her cronies gets evicted.

[moonballoon]

Originally posted by Bombardier
She can be very, very personal in some of the tactics she uses in an argument. Not once has Freddie brought someone's background up as a means of gaining leverage, freezing them out, or making them feel bad. Lisa is toxic in this respect and it makes it look like she's got a real chip on her shoulder.

Whenever there is a situation or some new information, Lisa can quickly turn something that might resolve itself naturally OR EVEN IN A FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING WAY and turn it into a mess of conflict. She starts with little comments like "oo wots freddie done now? has e shat himself?" She can rapidly polarize people in any situation by pretending that she is responding naturally and honestly to looming conflict, when in reality her only aim is to escalate conflict by any means necessary.

Yes, exactly ... what you said. I didn't mind Lisa too much till last night, when Rodrigo and Freddie said in their nominations how she just spends her whole time sitting smoking and talking negatively about other people there ... and I realised that is true. She is one of those people who drains all the fun out of life, and has to be the boss.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by rediscool
I'm not saying I'm a fan or anything but I don't quite understand all this Lisa hatred. I haven't actually SEEN any strong examples of her manipulation. I've heard the housemates say it lots but I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I'm not watching live, or maybe I'm just blind. To be honest I dislike Karly more, which is a change from at the beginning...

Any examples anyone?

People like a bad guy to vent at in these kinda shows...it all turns in to pantomime really.

So you get the people who think they are really intelligent and throw words around like vile, evil, hate....all pretty strong words for people who are in an environment that magnifies their flaws ten fold.....yet ask the individuals throwing these words around if they've ever made mistakes, treated someone in an unjust manner and whether the language used towards the housemates is reasonable and if it makes them any better than the people they refer to as 'evil' etc etc.....

In summary it's easy to judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions!

[golden]

Originally posted by a_2009

People like a bad guy to vent at in these kinda shows...it all turns in to pantomime really.

So you get the people who think they are really intelligent and throw words around like vile, evil, hate....all pretty strong words for people who are in an environment that magnifies their flaws ten fold.....yet ask the individuals throwing these words around if they've ever made mistakes, treated someone in an unjust manner and whether the language used towards the housemates is reasonable and if it makes them any better than the people they refer to as 'evil' etc etc.....

In summary it's easy to judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions!

Well said!

[RCW1945]

Do you think she has bits of paper like Nick had?
It is a bit more than chance the way the sheep vote in unison.
The latest and best example was how in one week they all switched from voting Freddie to not voting Freddie.
During the week we heard K & L saying nice things about him whereas the previous week's conversations were littered with anti-Freddie snipes.
Perhaps this is her secret, no mention of nominations, just dripping poison until the thickos have got their leader's message. She certainly excels at this!