[Benjamin]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i really don't agree with any of your OP

how can you think that he was thinking about his career when he took the token for the house instead of being selish and taking a prize?? i'd have done the same thing. he was thinking of the house. he was being a team player.

you just don't like him, i get it.

He was being a rachel Rice.

We don't need another winner like that. EVER!

[setanta]

that subtlety has been his only weapon against the harrassment and isolation that he has been forced to endure. he basically beat the bullies at their own game- turned the tide almost singlehandedly without resorting to agression or violence. he should be commended for his behaviour rather than criticised.

[Laruz]

loomy
The guy's a total twit

We won't think any less of you for backtracking and saying you don't like him, he pulled the wool over a lot of peoples eyes.

He's just a silly rich boy trying to rebel against his childhood. And you can see everything he does is for the cameras or in the hope of furthering his future political career - like when he encouraged the 'rebellion' or when he selflessly chose to take a token instead of a once in a lifetime gift I could just see him storing it up in his head to use in the future as an example of why he'd be a good politician. He's full of bullshit.

None of these actions hurt anyone.

So I don't care about his motives.

The rest of what you have said is unevidenced rubbish.

[loomy]

Originally posted by setanta
that subtlety has been his only weapon against the harrassment and isolation that he has been forced to endure. he basically beat the bullies at their own game- turned the tide almost singlehandedly without resorting to agression or violence. he should be commended for his behaviour rather than criticised.

Maybe, I admire him for fighting back but he milked the victim card for all it was worth. He knew his strength was in not getting angry and that he could manipulate the other housemates into looking bad.

He might be a lot of things but he's certainly not stupid. He definitely had a strategy upon going in as they all do but I think his was more closely planned out than the others. He did expect to be picked on he said that he expected to be nominated a lot before he went in because of his personality so he's clearly aware that he is annoying.. or he was being extra annoying so he could be a victim even more.

It's a tried and tested method of gaining support

[loomy]

Originally posted by Laruz

None of these actions hurt anyone.

So I don't care about his motives.

The rest of what you have said is unevidenced rubbish.

Yes they do!! He represents everything that is wrong with politics!!! I do think he will have a future in it and he will be just the same as all the rest whilst at the same time claiming to be different which is worse.

And actually - the rest of my post was where I used evidence. You just prefer to pretend that saint Freddie's perfect and would rather be blind to his faults.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Cant be arsed to read your mammoth OP but i like freddie.

[setanta]

you actually think he created that situation for himself in order to come across as a victim and win public favour? that's a ridiculous thing to say. he was targeted from the get go and he never once played the victim card. i admire his bravery and compassion amid all that madness: he was always trying to uncover the truth of the matter and never once resorted to shouting or name calling in the face of such irrational hostility. a lesser man would have been broken. i can't accept any of what you've said there. more power to him for making them look like the prats they are

[BONNEIP]

Freddie was the only one of the seven who put the welfare of the house first. I didn't like him at first now i'm becoming a fan go halfwit, go halfwit.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by loomy

That's not enitrely true - I gave examples of his aggressive behaviour and his desperation to be accepted whilst at the same time spouting all this sheep wolves stuff. He's a hypocrite.

People were quick to read into Kris and Sophie's intentions with their relationship without any substantial proof. Freddie is just more subtle about him.

The trouble is though what seems like aggression to you, or most who simply don't like him, appears as hard earned confidence to us that do. If you start off from the point of view he has been acting all this time for the camera's then all the bullying didn't happen. Or if it did he had it coming because the Hm's responsible saw his big, fake act. He has no right in feeling confident. That's your position.

As you mentioned the Hide n Seek thing, your view of it was not to criticise Charly or Kris, but to use that incident to knock Freddie, you do this by ignoring the facts i.e

Charly n Kris conspired to fool Freddie into thinking he was part of a game that Charly n Kris new he was the but of a joke.

Choosing to concentrate on what you IMAGINE Freddie's intention is i.e

"So desperate to be liked he went along with it"

Do you think going along with a joke at your expence, can only be due to a desperation to be liked, i will offer you a more likely possibility

He just realised what he was to them, he was embarrassed and wanted to save face by pretending to not care.

You just don't like Freddie i think. But that's no justification to tell others you should not like him either.

[Laruz]

Originally posted by loomy

Yes they do!! He represents everything that is wrong with politics!!! I do think he will have a future in it and he will be just the same as all the rest whilst at the same time claiming to be different which is worse.

And actually - the rest of my post was where I used evidence. You just prefer to pretend that saint Freddie's perfect and would rather be blind to his faults.

I'm sorry, I read opinionated and biased rubbish. I have never seen him aggressive, or seen any reason to believe all his actions involve a convuluted and cunning gameplan. Please show me this evidence you say you invoked.

[loomy]

Originally posted by PaulyJ

The trouble is though what seems like aggression to you, or most who simply don't like him, appears as hard earned confidence to us that do. If you start off from the point of view he has been acting all this time for the camera's then all the bullying didn't happen. Or if it did he had it coming because the Hm's responsible saw his big, fake act. He has no right in feeling confident. That's your position.

As you mentioned the Hide n Seek thing, your view of it was not to criticise Charly or Kris, but to use that incident to knock Freddie, you do this by ignoring the facts i.e

Charly n Kris conspired to fool Freddie into thinking he was part of a game that Charly n Kris new he was the but of a joke.

Choosing to concentrate on what you IMAGINE Freddie's intention is i.e

"So desperate to be liked he went along with it"

Do you think going along with a joke at your expence, can only be due to a desperation to be liked, i will offer you a more likely possibility

He just realised what he was to them, he was embarrassed and wanted to save face by pretending to not care.

You just don't like Freddie i think. But that's no justification to tell others you should not like him either.

Non of the events you have cited were ones I was refering to bar the Rodrigo even which took place the other day. I was talking about things that I've seen on the livefeed at night. I admit, I did like him on the highlights and I still do sometimes.

On the livefeed one night they all pretended to him that they had used a token (they used to do it all the time) and firstly he got really aggressive and properly got right up in Sree's ear and shouted really loudly down it that he hadn't wanted alcohol. It was very unpleasant and aggressive. But then when he realised it was a joke he was just laughing along whilst they were all laughing at him. Fine he wants to save face but it's a bit ironic when he goes on about people being cowards for not standing up for what they believe in, he surely cannot support bullying.

[loomy]

Originally posted by Laruz

I'm sorry, I read opinionated and biased rubbish. I have never seen him aggressive, or seen any reason to believe all his actions involve a convuluted and cunning gameplan. Please show me this evidence you say you invoked.

No I can't because it was on livefeed and stupid channel 4 copyright everything now a days so even if it was on youtube or something we wouldn't be able to watch it

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by BBObsesserxX
You need to make your posts shorter.

HELL NO.
great post I enjoyed it even if I categorically disagree with you. We need more posts like that.

[Laruz]

loomyHe goes on about standing up for what's right and his promiscuity and free love philosophy as though he's so superior because he's not a 'sheep' like the rest of us - he doesn't go along with society. But then juxtaposed with this is his desperate need to be accepted and loved, it's cringeworthy watching him trying to go along with Charlie and co. when they were making a joke out of him but he was so desperate to be accepted he just laughed and went along with it. He's worse than the lot of them. He is the biggest schemer and bitch in there, he has successfully manipulated the whole house against Lisa and co.

First of all, Freddie has never inferred that he believes almost everyone is sheep. He has also never inferred nor stated that he believes himself higher than others. That is you inferring that from your ridiculous conclusions of his background.

Secondly, so what is he wants to be accepted and liked? I would wager that most people desire to be liked and accepted by others. I would especially wager that everyone who enters Big Brother would at least secretly like to be accepted by the general public. You are aware of what this show is, right?

Thirdly, your conclusions that he is the biggest schemer and bitch in there do not follow from your complaints.

loomy
And to top it all off he's not even a big brother fan, he has hardly ever watched the series before; it's well know he was spotted by a producer. I'll wager he was just the type of person who would have looked down on the show and its fans.

First of all, that is an issue with Big Brother's housemate policy - not an issue with Freddie.

Second of all, I'd rather someone ignorant of the show than a vaccous shallow model-a-like coming in there to gurn for 6 weeks.

loomy
And his language is becoming more and more vulgar each day. He can be very aggressive and intimidating, more so than Lisa I think - like when he shouted in Sree's ear that night or when he shouted at Rodrigo because Rod was angry about them throwing the bathtub in the pool.

Lol.

Well this is rubbish. I've seen him argue with Sree (15x15) but he was not at all aggressive, only frustrated. I've seen him tell Rodrigo to lighten up, and that's it. I know he has also complained about Rodrigo's sense of humour, but again: that's all I've seen.

[setanta]

that's it? that's all you're giving us to comment on?

[Twilight]

Freddie is not a twit!

"And his language is becoming more and more vulgar each day. He can be very aggressive and intimidating, more so than Lisa I think - like when he shouted in Sree's ear that night or when he shouted at Rodrigo because Rod was angry about them throwing the bathtub in the pool."
All i can say to that is wtf "shouted in Sree's ear" umm Sree was the one shouting same with Rodrigo.

I think you just full of bull

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by loomy

Non of the events you have cited were ones I was refering to bar the Rodrigo even which took place the other day. I was talking about things that I've seen on the livefeed at night. I admit, I did like him on the highlights and I still do sometimes.

On the livefeed one night they all pretended to him that they had used a token (they used to do it all the time) and firstly he got really aggressive and properly got right up in Sree's ear and shouted really loudly down it that he hadn't wanted alcohol. It was very unpleasant and aggressive. But then when he realised it was a joke he was just laughing along whilst they were all laughing at him. Fine he wants to save face but it's a bit ironic when he goes on about people being cowards for not standing up for what they believe in, he surely cannot support bullying.

I think i remember the night your talking about, i also remember the way he shouted at Siavash during the egg n spoon race. "Siavash you fool" i think he said, but your right that was aggresive, i won't deny it. But i have forgiven him those, because i think they we're two one off's, if i see more i will start to think of him as an aggresive person, but not yet far to soon for me i'm afraid. It took me ages to judge Victor from BB4 or 5 as being agressive. or the Black girl that got removed for threatening Hm's with her "man dem".

As i say Freddie has shown agression

He is not an agressive person in my view.

[CaPPa]

Originally posted by loomy
The guy's a total twit

Possibly, but geeks, nerds and twits are kind of cool.

Anyway, what are we supposed to be admitting? I don't see anything in the OP other than opinion.

He's just a silly rich boy trying to rebel against his childhood. And you can see everything he does is for the cameras or in the hope of furthering his future political career - like when he encouraged the 'rebellion' or when he selflessly chose to take a token instead of a once in a lifetime gift I could just see him storing it up in his head to use in the future as an example of why he'd be a good politician. He's full of bullshit.

I think he's very interesting, he mixes a good moral base with some liberal views. Do you really think that his actions in BB will further his political career? The way you put makes it sound like in 10 years time somebody will think "hmm I'll vote for Halfwit because he got a token for the house when he was in BB". I don't think so sonny Jim. Isn't it actually better for a housemate to admit their aspirations rather than have a hidden agenda anyway?

And his language is becoming more and more vulgar each day. He can be very aggressive and intimidating, more so than Lisa I think - like when he shouted in Sree's ear that night or when he shouted at Rodrigo because Rod was angry about them throwing the bathtub in the pool.

If you find Halfwit intimidating then you must be easily scared. In the instances that you mention both Sree and Rodrigo were shouting louder than Halfwit was and I doubt that you would find any of the housemates say that he was very intimidating either, annoying yes but not intimidating. He is about as intimidating as candy floss.

He goes on about standing up for what's right and his promiscuity and free love philosophy as though he's so superior because he's not a 'sheep' like the rest of us - he doesn't go along with society. But then juxtaposed with this is his desperate need to be accepted and loved, it's cringeworthy watching him trying to go along with Charlie and co. when they were making a joke out of him but he was so desperate to be accepted he just laughed and went along with it. He's worse than the lot of them. He is the biggest schemer and bitch in there, he has successfully manipulated the whole house against Lisa and co.

He never called everyone sheep. He was using the terms sheep, wolf and sheppard to describe how Lisa's group worked. I thought the fact that he figured out Charlie and Kris's joke actually turned it around on them, making them the cringeworthy ones.

As for his need to feel accepted and loved, well who doesn't want that? He wants to be an individual and not follow the pack (Lisa) but he doesn't want to be ostracized for it. Could you go 6 weeks in that house feeling like everyone hated you? How about 6 weeks of Lisa shouting 'shut up' at you? Most would have cracked but Halfwit handled everything incredibly well and really tried to 'build bridges not barriers' even when it was constantly thrown back in his face. It was smart of him to see what was happening so quickly and put people onto Lisa's gang, as otherwise they would have picked everone else off and we'd have been left with Lisa, Karly, Kris, Charlie and Dogface. Halfwit's better than them all though and saved our series!

And to top it all off he's not even a big brother fan, he has hardly ever watched the series before; it's well know he was spotted by a producer. I'll wager he was just the type of person who would have looked down on the show and its fans.

What does it matter if he is a BB fan or not. If only BB fans are allowed to win then they may as well just stick Brian Belo in there every year. That guy eats, sleeps and poops BB.

I don't understand what people can like about him. He's not eccentric or different, go to any moderately well placed university and you will find hoardes of Freddies or variants of Freddies. Rich kids trying to disown their upbringing.

People can like Halfwit because he is a decent guy. The way that he handled himself under the pressure of continual nomination was impressive. His understanding of the dynamics of the house are the best that I have seen since BB5's Victor. He basically seems like an intelligent and good all round person, so if there are hoards of Freddies around England's universitys then the country should do well in the future.

Honestly, you don't have to like Halfwit but it really shouldn't be so difficult for you to understand why other people do like him.

[geisha]

Originally posted by Clockers
Public like him when he was down, and I am happy he is confident.

Exactly.

I am so happy to see him enjoying now. Good for him.

[Jayson]

Kenneth > Freddie

[rsefitpro2009]

The Freddie hate is starting!, in every single Big Brother, the favourite to win starts to get criticised big time.

He is irritating yes, but come on you have to admit that he does make good TV!

I still say Freddie will win this year!, but i am very aware of the Siavash momentum!

[MR.K!]

Urg. Never liked freddie. I hope he goes sooner rather than later.

[rsefitpro2009]

Originally posted by MR.K!
Urg. Never liked freddie. I hope he goes sooner rather than later.

If Freddie ever left,BB would be a bore fest!

[HELLIWONTGO]

Originally posted by loomy

I don't care, I needed to get it off my chest

Freddie fans can't accept any criticism of their God anyways

I say old sport, I discovered this a while ago, if you criticise Half wit, they all turn against you!
It seems to mainly be young girlies, what!
This is why the show is dying!

[Callum.]

He is certainly the most arrogant housemate in there.