[user104658]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.

Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.

A quick google confirms this. Deaths are currently surging amongst a younger demographic in India because, for whatever reason, the vast majority of cases for their current wave are within that demographic, so it's really just an illusion of scale. And also a complete lack of hospital beds and (crucially) ventilators. If you get severe symptoms over there you're pretty much ****ed, basically, hospitals are at capacity and there's very little help available. They're basically having to take a stab at who is most likely to survive, and take someone else off a ventilator to give it to that person instead. A really grim situation to be in... they had similar things happening during the first wave in Italy. Thankfully, the UK hasn't had to go down that route.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.

Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.

what you say is true, but it should raise a big red flag on what the potential impact could be. I remember us saying before very early in the pandemic that our general health care and living conditions would make a difference, but in highly populated cities we got it just as bad. At the very least, we should be reconsidering relaxing social distancing .... it's bad enough with the old and vulnerable, but if youngsters start dropping like flies it's going to be another level of devastating

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…on a positive..(…kind of…)…COVID being something for the last year to channel those anxiety energies into… may mean that other anxiety related things have faded more and not built into the ‘monsters’ they may previously have…?…so that’s something to build on, that you’ve managed very well without them and that going forward, you may be able to keep them more faded into the background…

It’s an interesting thought ..

To be honest the last 15 months or so have just meant that I’ve added more little ‘coping’ routines to my day and all my senses are at a heightened level .. that’s not necessarily a negative thing but it is more exhausting.

So I don’t ever ‘relax’ or ‘chill’ out’ as my mind never really switches off plus I only sleep around 5 hours theses days which is about an hour less than I used to ..

Strange times ....


Kinda reminds me of something a pop star named YungBlud said recently ... he has serious anxiety issues .

He was asked by a fan ( online interview) if he used drugs to keep his energy levels so high and he said “ use drugs ..I have ADHD I don’t need drugs !




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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no evidence of it being more severe in the UK ... the situation in India is tragic, but it's as much down to the demographics in India as anything else. MASSIVE wealth divide, poor general health, poor nutrition, limited access to sanitation, and their healthcare system has completely caved. Life expectancy in India is still only something like 68, even with Covid totally out of the equation... in the UK it's now nearly 80.



Basically the living conditions for many in India makes developing complications more likely, and then the healthcare situation means there's nowhere to go when that happens.

Interesting... I thought the difference in life expectancy between the two countries would be far more than just 12 years for some reason


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what you say is true, but it should raise a big red flag on what the potential impact could be. I remember us saying before very early in the pandemic that our general health care and living conditions would make a difference, but in highly populated cities we got it just as bad. At the very least, we should be reconsidering relaxing social distancing .... it's bad enough with the old and vulnerable, but if youngsters start dropping like flies it's going to be another level of devastating

True, I think Italy should have been a stark warning for Europe... they were caught off guard (being the first place it really took off in Europe) and it was, by all accounts, an absolute nightmare at the peak. I do think that effect is obviously going to be compounded somewhere like India; a population of nearly 1.5 billion with a huge proportion not having access to what we would consider to be acceptable healthcare. They still have numbers higher than the entire population of the UK living in objective poverty... i.e. not even at basic sustenance levels... and many more than that way below the poverty line of developed countries.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Interesting... I thought the difference in life expectancy between the two countries would be far more than just 12 years for some reason


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There aren't many countries where it's below 65 and practically all of those are in Africa, for various reasons I suppose.

I think essentially once you rule out other causes... humans are just generally fairly robust until 60-65 and then we kinda start falling apart if the maintenance isn't there (good healthcare, healthy lifestyle).

That's also how you get to live to nearly 100 if you happen to be, for example, a Royal... with lifelong fully catered meals and impeccable healthcare.

[Vanessa]

Thankfully in Italy things are getting better.
Thanks to the vaccination programme.
As long as they keep it up they will be ok.

[arista]

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

3.914 new cases (average is still steadily decreasing) average of last 7 days is 3.131 positive tests 28% less than week before

1.440 total hospitalisations (93 new hospitalisations increase of 24 compared to yesterday 69)

521 total ICU patients (27 new ICU patients increase of 13 compared to yesterday 14)

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...o-open-longer/

Netherlands: there will be a extra press conference tonight, to announce more relaxing of several measures

museums set to reopen, and the bars/pubs to remain open for few extra hours

new measures are due to come in effect by June 5th

[arista]

[Coronavirus kills 32 members of
parliament in DR Congo
Thirty-two members of parliament in
the Democratic Republic of Congo,
or about 5% of the total, have died
from COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic,
the vice president of the National Assembly said.
Even as Congo, like many other African countries,
has officially reported relatively few cases
and deaths, the virus has rippled through the
corridors of power, killing prominent politicians
and members of the president's entourage.]


From SkyNews feed.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s an interesting thought ..

To be honest the last 15 months or so have just meant that I’ve added more little ‘coping’ routines to my day and all my senses are at a heightened level .. that’s not necessarily a negative thing but it is more exhausting.

So I don’t ever ‘relax’ or ‘chill’ out’ as my mind never really switches off plus I only sleep around 5 hours theses days which is about an hour less than I used to ..

Strange times ....


Kinda reminds me of something a pop star named YungBlud said recently ... he has serious anxiety issues .

He was asked by a fan ( online interview) if he used drugs to keep his energy levels so high and he said “ use drugs ..I have ADHD I don’t need drugs !




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…yeah, I can understand how it’s exhausting it’s been and is for you, Zizu…but for the year we’ve had and probably the most challenging times we’ve experienced…and so many personal challenges for you working through it all as well…?…I mean, just so many things that you’ve faced…you’ve also found those coping tools and you’ve got through so much…you’ve coped and you’ve overcome and hold onto that also…obviously your hour less sleep isn’t ideal because it really would be good for you to have that to feel a little less exhausted and I hope that you get that sleep back into your pattern in time…..

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: government wants the country almost fully reopened by June 30th

with only few basic measures such as face mask compulsory, social distancing

[arista]

Friday 28/5/21

10 Died today.
4,182 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
889


Patients on ventilation
Latest available
120


127,768 Total UK Deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Friday 21/5/21

9 Have Died
2,829 have caught Covid-19

Patients in hospital
Latest available
913

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
123


127,710 Total UK Deaths


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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[Zizu]

New infections

2,800 up to 4,200 in seven days !!

That’s a 50% increase over 7 days !!



At this rate next Friday it could be up to 6,300 per day or worse ( given it’s gaining momentum ) and 10,000 in a fortnights time !


That’s presuming it doesn’t increase at the same rate as Bolton where infections are increasing by 101% week on week !


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

New infections

2,800 up to 4,200 in seven days !!

That’s a 50% increase over 7 days !!



At this rate next Friday it could be up to 6,300 per day or worse ( given it’s gaining momentum ) and 10,000 in a fortnights time !


That’s presuming it doesn’t increase at the same rate as Bolton where infections are increasing by 101% week on week !


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So far the infection increases have been kept within the hotspot areas. It's also worth noting that they are doing a massive amount of surge testing in those areas, so infections will rise, even if people have zero symptoms

bots the balancer

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So far the infection increases have been kept within the hotspot areas. It's also worth noting that they are doing a massive amount of surge testing in those areas, so infections will rise, even if people have zero symptoms

bots the balancer

Yes, they're doing mass testing in the affected areas.
But hospitalisations and deaths are still low.
So we're good.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

New infections

2,800 up to 4,200 in seven days !!

That’s a 50% increase over 7 days !!



At this rate next Friday it could be up to 6,300 per day or worse ( given it’s gaining momentum ) and 10,000 in a fortnights time !


That’s presuming it doesn’t increase at the same rate as Bolton where infections are increasing by 101% week on week !

Blame the India fights
bringing in the Indian Variant
that transmits so much faster
than our Kent one.


We should have Blocked India
The Prim Minister is Guilty on that.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So far the infection increases have been kept within the hotspot areas. It's also worth noting that they are doing a massive amount of surge testing in those areas, so infections will rise, even if people have zero symptoms



bots the balancer

We need positive , optimistic types


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