[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I'm not too sure... Having been born in Scotland, I'd hate to see a huge drift between the two countries. Plus I personally don't see it going well if they do become independent

I don't think there'd be a huge drift.. We'd still be neighbours and best friends, but we'd have our own government and the rest if the uk would have theirs.. It makes sense to me

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I don't think there'd be a huge drift.. We'd still be neighbours and best friends, but we'd have our own government and the rest if the uk would have theirs.. It makes sense to me

Hmm true... I just feel it's a little risky. I don't know all that much about it though

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Hmm true... I just feel it's a little risky. I don't know all that much about it though

I'm 100% sure Scotland can go it alone.. And I'm feeling pretty sure we're going to go for it I want home from hospital for the 18th so I can sit up all night and eat and drink and watch the results coming in. I think I'll probably die from excitement though :/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'm 100% sure Scotland can go it alone.. And I'm feeling pretty sure we're going to go for it I want home from hospital for the 18th so I can sit up all night and eat and drink and watch the results coming in. I think I'll probably die from excitement though :/

I wouldn't get too excited, it's still looking like roughly a 55/45 split in favour of "no", unfortunately.

It's mostly a shame because no voters are (in huge numbers) doing it to preserve the status quo and because it feels "safer". It is NOT safe. The UK is economically ****ed.

So I look at it this way: An independent Scotland could go either way. In 30 years time with a Yes vote, things in Scotland might be amazing... might be thriving. Or it might go badly and a lot of people will be screwed.

In 30 years time with a No vote, there's no question about it; in the UK, unless you're landed gentry, you will be in the gutter. The government is doing a good job of controlling the media and convincing the general public that the economy vs the cost of living isn't spiraling completely out of control but... it simply is. The UK will be a bankrupt country full of poor, miserable people. Eastern European countries will be looking back on how things are now and pissing themselves laughing that they ever wanted to live / work in the UK.

The effect will be WORSE for Scotland because, as always, things get gradually ****tier the further you go from London, because the corrupt and useless Westminster governments treat it like a self-contained and all important City State, and any money that IS left will be siphoned south.


So... yeah... this is what will happen if we vote "no". In the event of a "Yes" vote I personally think there will be a few tough years but once firm footing is found we would be in a much better position to survive the inevitable end of Western economic supremacy. Scotland has a small populaion and a lot to offer no matter which superpower reigns supreme. The UK as a whole is a post-imperial nightmare that is FAR too big for its' boots. And this is what delusioned, media-affected Scottish voters feel is "safe".

[Ninastar]

The 'proud to be scots, delighted to be united' posters made me smile a lot when I visited my grandad and Greg last week

[Alf]

Will there be border control if the vote is yes? need a passport to get in and out?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Will there be border control if the vote is yes? need a passport to get in and out?

No there wouldn't be

[Kizzy]

Seeing how the gulf between haves and have-nots across Britain is widening society does seem to be going in a counterclockwise direction, the answer is not returning to the slums and being controlled by water cannon.
It's time we realised English parliament is corrupt, maybe Scotland should go for it?
One question... Lee can I come live in your shed?

[Alf]

Surely the threat of putting up border control will be the ace card for the no vote, far more Scots come into England than the other way around.

I thought this would be one of Cameron's tactical moves.

[arista]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Surely the threat of putting up border control will be the ace card for the no vote, far more Scots come into England than the other way around.

I thought this would be one of Cameron's tactical moves.

No border problems
just Total Freedom for Scotland.

[arista]

On BBC2HD or SkyNewsHD

Now

[arista]

Alistair Darling
keeps saying the same old rubbish

[joeysteele]

For me Alex Salmond got this one.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For me Alex Salmond got this one.

Yes Guardian /ICM poll gives Alex the win


on this one.


ref :SkyNewsHD Live

[MTVN]

Crap debate, neither said anything new and just repeated the same rubbish we've been hearing for months

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Crap debate, neither said anything new and just repeated the same rubbish we've been hearing for months

what new things would you have liked to hear?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what new things would you have liked to hear?

The Death of Labour MP's in Scotland

[Angelika]

I'm on the fence......thank heavens I don't have to vote!
There hasn't been enough discussion on the important issues for me to make a decision.

I'm hoping for a good outcome all round and praying I don't need a visa to visit family.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Angelika

I'm on the fence......thank heavens I don't have to vote!
There hasn't been enough discussion on the important issues for me to make a decision.

I'm hoping for a good outcome all round and praying I don't need a visa to visit family.

No border problems will happen if they go solo

[joeysteele]

Keeping this serious I have always said I hope the Scots vote no to independence and I do still believe more prefer to stay in the UK than leave.

However, I could well understand the Scots voting to go independent,it must be sick of voting for non Conservative Govts and getting thrown at it all the time, rotten policies from a Govt. that in the main is elected from only the far South of England.
The same issue as to Wales too.

What will decide this referendum and the thing I fear as to the vote itself is how will the 2 sides actually vote.
I have little doubt that just about all those who favour independence will, through rain,hail and snow ensure they cast their votes in the referendum.
What worries me is that those against independence may not get out there and cast their votes in the strength they likely really are.

The undecided too, have had a real mess as to information thrown at them by both sides and I doubt if most of the undecided will even bother to vote anyway now.
It will be an exciting but anxious day of voting.
It would not now surprise me if the yes vote just carries the day,it is really down to the no voters making sure they make their voice heard.

I say again, if the Scots vote no however, then Govts. no matter the party leading any Govt. need to really change their attitude to Scotland as a whole.
Finally I do commend Alex Salmond, he for me has looked the real statesman in all this and he has delivered a referendum as to independence too against all the odds.

He looks a far better bet for a Prime Minister of a Nation than the procrastinating,incompetent incumbent the UK has right now for sure.

[user104658]

I've just figured out where I've seen the Better Together campaign rhetoric before!!

Youtube video

...this could essentially BE Alistair Darling.

[lostalex]

from 3hat i'm reading this might be closer than i thought. but i still think most people don't want to upset the status quo. most people don't like change.

[arista]

Yes



http://news.sky.com/story/1331427/sc...ign-takes-lead


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...save-the-union

[Cherie]

This is going to be a close one

[Crimson Dynamo]

Freedom