[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Actually they were growing under Labour before the "global recession"... but... shhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Your nice little visual aid only goes back to 2010.

I see no evidence of that from you though Livia. There were always the poor in the UK that wasn't a Labour construct remember the removal of industry? That accounts for a lot of it I'd say.
It was a nice visual aid, here's a link to the Trussell trust there's lots of information on foodbanks.
http://www.trusselltrust.org/resourc...y2013Small.pdf

[joeysteele]

Foodbanks under Labour rose from around 4,000 using them to an estimated 40,000 using them by the time they left office.

By 2014, the use of food banks had exceeded 400,000 in just 4 years of this govt; and are now believed to have over 750,000 using them.

I have an interest in foodbanks because I assist with one and that is a truly alarming statistic if ever there was one.

On the streets and doorsteps,hardly anyone mentioned them in 2010, now it is mentioned loads and it is amazing the people who know someone who 'had to be referred' to one too.

From 40,000 using them in 2010 to over 750,000 now in just the space of 5 years, should be seen as an absolute disgrace by anyone and should be a rightful massive criticism of whatever govt; was in power that presided over such increases too.

Even now in some supermarkets there are areas or trolleys set aside for donation to foodbanks regularly,that didn't happen under Labour.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see no evidence of that from you though Livia. There were always the poor in the UK that wasn't a Labour construct remember the removal of industry? That accounts for a lot of it I'd say.
It was a nice visual aid, here's a link to the Trussell trust there's lots of information on foodbanks.
http://www.trusselltrust.org/resourc...y2013Small.pdf

No, I don't really remember the removal of industry, I was a child. My Dad tells me about when the unions managed to close the London docks and consequently a lot of industry around there that went when the docks went.

Trying to convince the group that Labour are a shining beacon giving hope to the poor is about as convincing as Katie Hopkins' political analysis. I grew up in a Labour borough, I'm not a stranger to how Labour works and the truth is, a large proportion of the people who will vote for Labour will be people afraid of losing their benefits. Good old Ed, eh? Good old Socialist Ed. Mind you, it's easy to be a Socialist when you're a millionaire and live in a £3m house.

[lostalex]

I don't see the british public really getting excited about Ed Millibore. He reminds me of Al Gore and John Kerry.

Ed doesn't inspire anyone. I can't imagine even die hard Labour supporters getting excited about him as PM.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't see the british public really getting excited about Ed Millibore. He reminds me of Al Gore and John Kerry.

Actually Alex, he can be quite funny. Unintentionally funny... but funny nevertheless.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Actually Alex, he can be quite funny. Unintentionally funny... but funny nevertheless.

The ability to be laughed AT is not something i think most Brits are looking for in a leader.

[lostalex]

I bet even Putin could beat him in a head to head election. no polonium required.

[lostalex]

the only question i see, is will cameron get a majority so he can finally drop this pathetic charade of "working" with the libdems.

labor has no chance because scotland will go farther towards SNP, and even libdems will lose because they've been such pathetic lap dogs for cameron. libdems only got their position because the people far left of labour wanted them, but now the've shown themselves as conservative lap dogs, the libdem voters must be completely fed up with Clegg.

I don't see how Cameron is in any kind of danger.

[joeysteele]

With respect to all that chart speaks volumes.

Even had there been no one using them before but then to have the 2010/11 figure there of 61,000+

The rise from that figure to what they are now in the 2014 figure, is shocking as to this govt;

Had the figures only doubled,criticism would not be valid.
However, even on the chart presented there, it is a disgrace what has happened under this govt; as to them in barely 4+ years.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, I don't really remember the removal of industry, I was a child. My Dad tells me about when the unions managed to close the London docks and consequently a lot of industry around there that went when the docks went.

Trying to convince the group that Labour are a shining beacon giving hope to the poor is about as convincing as Katie Hopkins' political analysis. I grew up in a Labour borough, I'm not a stranger to how Labour works and the truth is, a large proportion of the people who will vote for Labour will be people afraid of losing their benefits. Good old Ed, eh? Good old Socialist Ed. Mind you, it's easy to be a Socialist when you're a millionaire and live in a £3m house.

What of the coal, steel, shipbuilding, textile, motor and aircraft manufacture and printing, by the unions I suspect you mean the workers?
The group need be convinced that outsourcing did and is crippling the country.
Not sure what the rest of the post has to do with anything, there is a welfare state for now whoever the leaders of the parties are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect to all that chart speaks volumes.

Even had there been no one using them before but then to have the 2010/11 figure there of 61,000+

The rise from that figure to what they are now in the 2014 figure, is shocking as to this govt;

Had the figures only doubled,criticism would not be valid.
However, even on the chart presented there, it is a disgrace what has happened under this govt; as to them in barely 4+ years.

The link states that 05-06 there were just over 2,000 so in the last 10yrs that has been a 456 fold increase, as you say shocking.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The link states that 05-06 there were just over 2,000 so in the last 10yrs that has been a 456 fold increase, as you say shocking.

It is beyond defence as to how this govt; has allowed foodbanks to become commonplace rather than a rarity.
Just another reason of the many already, since they have no policies to even start to address the issue, to get them out.

I wouldn't concern yourself with John Major appearing today, he is remembered for 2 things,signing the Maastricht treaty and getting very 'cosy' with Edwina Currie.
Hardly a shining example to anyone really or with any relevance too.

[Kizzy]

Yes when you pull the dinosaurs out of the closet unfortunately the skeletons come with them

[smudgie]

I have voted.
Am I the first Tibbers to declare it?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I have voted.
Am I the first Tibbers to declare it?

Well done Smudgie.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well done Smudgie.

3 Different elections, up to 10 votes

All to be taken seriously and on merit.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

3 Different elections, up to 10 votes

All to be taken seriously and on merit.

We are on opposing sides overall Smudgie but I do sincerely hope your man comes through in your area.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We are on opposing sides overall Smudgie but I do sincerely hope your man comes through in your area.

Indeed Joey, as long as James does well for us locally I am happy.
Good luck with your candidate too.
We may be on opposing sides this time around, but I really do genuinely admire your passion for politics. If I was to stand I would love someone like you in my corner.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed Joey, as long as James does well for us locally I am happy.
Good luck with your candidate too.
We may be on opposing sides this time around, but I really do genuinely admire your passion for politics. If I was to stand I would love someone like you in my corner.

Thank you Smudgie,I am usually fiercely loyal once I give my loyalty and support to someone or something.

I do hope James manages to beat the odds,he deserves too in my opinion.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The link states that 05-06 there were just over 2,000 so in the last 10yrs that has been a 456 fold increase, as you say shocking.

Even worse now, as the Trussell trust has anounced that over 1,000,000 usage has been reached with foodbanks in the last year, another increase of 19%.

Wonder if we will hear any of that on the news at all or see the govt; questioned heavily about it.
I am not holding my breath but that is a really massive condemnation of anyones policies in my opinion.

If this was the case under a Labour govt; that Labour govt; would be being condemned and splashed, and rightly too,all over the front pages of every newspaper.
Shocking,I say it again.

[Livia]

The Trussell Trust, while stating it is apolitical, has a Labour Party member as chairman. Now, if the boot was on the other foot and the chairman of some organisation being discussed was a Tory, people would suspect a manipulation of the figures. As it's a Labour member, all the Labour supporters will think that it's gospel because Labour are not capable of manipulation, are they.

[joeysteele]

They still with respect have the figures to confirm what they are issuing,that cannot be glossed over.

They will need to be keeping records, no matter who their chairman may be or from what political leaning they will be from.

The fact has to remain that the use of foodbanks is going through the roof under this govt; and those organisations spending time with their own efforts and then also the large numbers of volunteers who assist with the issuing of vital items to those in dire need,ought to gain respect not derision for those efforts.

If we had elected a Labour govt; in 2010 and these rises had occurred like this under them I for one would probably not be supporting Labour at this election because of that fact.
I find it absolutely appalling that any govt; can preside over this,do nothing whatsoever about it and then actually not get really slated for their policies that have helped bring this worrying and distressing situation about.

I help out at one when I can, and the numbers rising continuously are for me, really alarming as are the stories and reasons they need to come to them too.
Not just those out of work but people in work too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Trussell Trust, while stating it is apolitical, has a Labour Party member as chairman. Now, if the boot was on the other foot and the chairman of some organisation being discussed was a Tory, people would suspect a manipulation of the figures. As it's a Labour member, all the Labour supporters will think that it's gospel because Labour are not capable of manipulation, are they.

Are you then suggesting the figures are manipulated, Trussell Trust has been associated via the chairman and trustees with both parties, how would that affect the recording of service users?

'Are rumours that The Trussell Trust was founded by Conservative councillor Noel Atkins true? Is The Trussell Trust affiliated to the Conservative party?
There are some misleading blogs circulating online that suggest that The Trussell Trust is in some way affiliated to the Conservative Party, which is completely untrue: The Trussell Trust is an a-political charity that receives no government funding.
A former trustee was a Conservative councillor but he was not a founding member (he was in post from 2007 – 2012) and his role as councillor was entirely separate to his role as trustee at The Trussell Trust. The Trussell Trust’s Chairman, Chris Mould, is a member of the Labour Party but this does not mean that The Trussell Trust is affiliated to the Labour Party either. Trustees are appointed to govern charities and have an individual as well as collective responsibility to exercise proper independence in their discharge of those duties – i.e they cannot allow personal political or professional connections to guide them when carrying out duties as trustees.'

http://www.trusselltrust.org/rumour-response

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...96#post7714396

[Crimson Dynamo]

DAVID Cameron has urged England’s xenophobes to focus on Scottish people.

In a St George’s Day message, the Tory leader said it was time for the country to put aside its ‘long and much-loved history of loathing the French and Germans’.

He added: “Recently we have seen marvellous new grudges spring up against the Romanians and Bulgarians, developing a whole range of racist stereotypes that barely existed three years ago.

“But don’t forget the Scots. These people – illegal immigrants in our country, give or take a few hundred years – want to steal our money and destroy our way of life.

“Let them be your scapegoat for the ills of the modern age, the demonic ‘other’ scampering around your brain as you pour your wisdom onto the internet.”

Xenophobe Martin Bishop said: “They speak English, sort of. Apart from that they’re basically Mexicans.”