[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
Pro Brexit you Vote Conservative


A Referendum you Vote Labour
who once in power , they say you get a Another Vote


Thats simple

Once in power they can do what they like, I don't trust any of them at this stage

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Once in power they can do what they like, I don't trust any of them at this stage

That understandable


Labour will set up a Referendum
once you Elect them.
That's their Selling Line


Conservative are Leaving the EU
by all means

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

these 2 hardcore brexiteer girls again bashing Boris, they demand a no deal

Yes the Brexit Bitches
they have no power

[Kazanne]

So let's get this straight if it's possible to find a policy with all the Labour U turns. For all his career Corbyn has been vehemently opposed to the EU, now he wants to remain in it. For the last three to four years Corbyn has been calling for a General Election and now they get their chance they don't want one. They wanted a deal and yet voted against the May surrender document, three times.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So let's get this straight if it's possible to find a policy with all the Labour U turns. For all his career Corbyn has been vehemently opposed to the EU, now he wants to remain in it. For the last three to four years Corbyn has been calling for a General Election and now they get their chance they don't want one. They wanted a deal and yet voted against the May surrender document, three times.

Lets talk U turns; Johnson and JRM both voted for and against Mays deal. Is that a U turn?

Mays deal didn't pass because of the far right in the tory party (ERG). It's not labours responsibility.

Beware of any politician that never changes their mind, because it shows you it's ideology rather than evidence that moves them.

Why is your anger at a party in the minority rather than the people who lied to you? It really doesn't make any sense, Kaz.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Lets talk U turns; Johnson and JRM both voted for and against Mays deal. Is that a U turn?

Mays deal didn't pass because of the far right in the tory party (ERG). It's not labours responsibility.

Beware of any politician that never changes their mind, because it shows you it's ideology rather than evidence that moves them.

Why is your anger at a party in the minority rather than the people who lied to you? It really doesn't make any sense, Kaz.

I'm not angry Slim,I enjoy debating if it's done in a friendly manner, I just don't see at the moment how anyone will get the deal they want,all of them have told porkies, it's hard to trust any of them,but I do think the vote should be honoured,we could probably still do deals if we wanted to.

[Twosugars]

Kazanne stop parrotting silly terms like "surrender document"

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Kazanne stop parrotting silly terms like "surrender document"

Why dont you stop telling people what to think and say, and get on with bigging up the opposition.

[arista]

[Nicky91]

Conservatives fooked up


and Corbyn has been consistent in his views regarding all of this brexit chaotic mess


and slim's right, this isn't labour's responsibility at all so far to handle brexit, it's been up to these conservatives who don't know what they want


and if i remember correctly, johnson, JRM were first for may's deal, and then suddenly a U-Turn against her deal and been against her all that time to work her out as PM

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Conservatives fooked up


and Corbyn has been consistent in his views regarding all of this brexit chaotic mess


and slim's right, this isn't labour's responsibility at all so far to handle brexit, it's been up to these conservatives who don't know what they want


and if i remember correctly, johnson, JRM were first for may's deal, and then suddenly a U-Turn against her deal and been against her all that time to work her out as PM

no he hasn't, he wouldn't commit to a peoples vote for fear of upsetting the Labour leave voters .....

also Labour voted against Mrs Mays deal time and time again......soooooooo

[arista]

[arista]

[Liam-]

**** it, I’m voting for Larry

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

**** it, I’m voting for Larry

Larry would probably do a better job, and if he joins forces with the new Downing street dog, who knows what can be achieved

[Daniel-X]

Oh how LOVELY this has all been eh, we have to celebrate

[Denver]

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Do you read the sun, WSM?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Do you read the sun, WSM?

Yes all media state that
Correct Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So do labour want an election now or not..they seem a bit tipsy turvy regarding this, I'm sure they wanted an election last week but today they seem to be against the idea...

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He wants an election, he just wants to make sure Boris can't use this to crash us out with a no deal beforehand.

Once the deal is sorted, he'll happily confirm the election.

Tipsy turvy

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Tipsy turvy

They want it all this labour lot..

Pity they are going to get nothing.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They want it all this labour lot..

Pity they are going to get nothing.

I know, imagine trying to protect folks from themselves

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Seems like Corbyn no longer was an election

Only if you aren't paying attention to the facts.

He wants an extension BEFORE an election is called so Boris and the Tories can't force a No Deal for the Elites before they face the music of an election.

[Twosugars]

Tbh 1.9% majority gives a flimsy mandate for a soft brexit at best, any more is lies

[joeysteele]

IIt is as always has been post war under this first past the post voting system.

If voters don't want the Cons in only Labour can beat them at present.

If you don't want Labour then only the Cons can beat them to be the governing party.

So if voters support the humiliating policies of the Cons to the sick and disabled, have not a single concern for the NHS under them.
Also want the most extreme of brexit, even no deal then it's clear the Cons get your vote.

If the hope is for a softer more conciliatory brexit and the domestic policies of Labour then to stop the Cons, voting anything else than Labour, will leave the Cons in government or the largest party.

The Lib Dems would need to get to the 30s as a percentage.
Then have the Cons under 30% and Labour well down in the 20s as a percentage, just for them to get to maybe have the most seats.

Of course Corbyn would never be allowed by the whole Labour movement to leave with no deal.

He would have to hold a referendum that even included remain on it, if he held one even on any deal.
If the conference voted for that.

If under this daft voting syste in an election you ended up with the Cons on 35% to 38%.
Labour on the mid 20s, the Lib Dems on the mid 20s.
You have this madness of then the Cons winning with an overall majority because of split votes.

If you're happy with this PM and government fine.
That's what you'll get.
If you want this PM and government clipped of power.
Really only Labour, love or hate it, can defeat the Cons in a general election.

This election system is bonkers.
It's time for PR, in fact it's long overdue in my own view anyway.