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Sky News reporting that one vaccination is thought to give just 33% cover against the Delta / Indian variant


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Originally Posted by arista

Sir Patick Vallance says "this is a virus that is going to be with us forever".

Ahh .. so a different kind of normal ..


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Originally Posted by Zizu

Sky News reporting that one vaccination is thought to give just 33% cover against the Delta / Indian variant


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thats misinformation again, 1 jab give 70%+ protection from serious illness

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

thats misinformation again, 1 jab give 70%+ protection from serious illness

Just quoting exactly what they reported earlier
Wasn’t that 70% figure for the Kent variant ?


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ine-boost.html

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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

That said Mike Graham is an imbecile of the highest order ..


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people have been told repeatedly that they book holidays abroad at their own risk. Pleading ignorance doesn't work

Anyway, it seems to me the government want people to spend money at home rather than abroad, and we should ensure as much as possible that our own leisure industry recovers before flying off elsewhere

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The government is right to extend in my view the easing of restrictions.

I think their wedding do's and don'ts are quite odd.
It was stupid of any to label June 21st as freedom day in any case.

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weddings is a definitive category, so they can remove restrictions on that and see how it goes, it's basically a slowed down easing of restrictions rather than stopping the easing completely.

We have to try and open up while being reactive to hotspots of concern. I think its the right approach. Wait until july until all over 18's have been offered the jab before opening up night clubs seems a very sensible strategy

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people have been told repeatedly that they book holidays abroad at their own risk. Pleading ignorance doesn't work

Anyway, it seems to me the government want people to spend money at home rather than abroad, and we should ensure as much as possible that our own leisure industry recovers before flying off elsewhere

To be fair, it is ENTIRELY sensible, for multiple reasons... international tourism should be one of the very last things to return. I mean look at places like Australia and NZ that have been mostly trundling along OK throughout... a lot of that is BECAUSE they have such massive restrictions on travel. And have been able to have most of their own internal stuff continue as normal.

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40.000 people at Wembley for euro2020 semi finals and final


and also audience at Wimbledon

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the thing is though, things like the delta variant will still get into the country whether there are border restrictions or not. All that restricting tourism does is slow its propagation down a bit. That may be beneficial because it gives us more time to react, but recent history shows that people don't give much of a crap about not spreading it, and any hope of curtailing a new variant will go completely out the window come july

Take the alpha variant as an example, all these countries closed their borders to the uk almost immediately, and europe still got swamped with it a month or 2 later

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Take the alpha variant as an example, all these countries closed their borders to the uk almost immediately, and europe still got swamped with it a month or 2 later

Yes because the variant was obviously already active everywhere by the time it was identified. Closing borders reactively to new variants is never going to work because it's an "after the horse has bolted" situation... international travel should be massively reduced regardless over an extended time frame. Not "because we've identified variant ______", but simply on the assumption that there will be more.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes because the variant was obviously already active everywhere by the time it was identified. Closing borders reactively to new variants is never going to work because it's an "after the horse has bolted" situation... international travel should be massively reduced regardless over an extended time frame. Not "because we've identified variant ______", but simply on the assumption that there will be more.

yeah, i agree with that, all this stuff that the uk should have closed borders earlier over delta was the same, we already had it, and because delta is so infectious it was inevitable we would have hot spots. No country should be considered safe until covid is wiped out, and thats not going to happen ever

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yeah, i agree with that, all this stuff that the uk should have closed borders earlier over delta was the same, we already had it, and because delta is so infectious it was inevitable we would have hot spots. No country should be considered safe until covid is wiped out, and thats not going to happen ever

The things like "We only have 50 cases, close the borders!!" with new variants are a bit daft. If we have 50 identified cases of a new strain then we have hundreds if not more actual cases ... it's out there and it's going to spread.

It is a tough one really. I mean I give examples like Aus, but let's face it Australia has ALWAYS had slightly "isolationist" tendencies so simply shutting up shop was much more feasible for them.