[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I will ask you the same question I asked Jesus ,how many of these groups are you a member of ,or are you just making it up as you go along and talking blind ?

making it up as I go along? in what way am I doing that?

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have said it's down to personal interpretation, and that it was only my view... I appreciate it's not widely accepted.
The facts that don't 'stack up' confuse me, as said many times links provided are not meant to 'prove' anything... They're just information on the situation as it was given at the time by those directly involved.

I really didn't want to quote you here, but as you've indirectly quoted me, then I sort of have to really. Your post above seems reasonable enough. Just personal opinion no advancement of your own views, etc etc.

Lets ask Kizzy from the previous page what she thinks about the evidence:

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or, if you look at it another way; Facts...
All links provided on this thread by interested parties are to evidence as presented as part of the case, not heresay or opinion.
Specific information such as witness statements and evidence found at the time and or since.
It is easy to suggest opinions are wrong when it relates to speculation, but when commenting on the actual testimony of those involved it's different I would say.

Right, so the links in this thread are not meant to prove anything, but they are evidence, and not heresay?

Well that's wrong as well. Just by picking apart one piece of the facts on display from those links, which is easily done with the dogs, for example, then the whole thing is called into question. They aren't facts. It's an internet trolling group that get together to hound the McCanns, because they are convinced of their guilt. Chuff has made that perfectly clear in this thread already. When you click the links, they aren't people who are just throwing interesting things about the case into the public arena for s**ts and giggles, they're doing it to try and provide "evidence" for the guilt of the McCanns

Witness statements are notoriously unreliable because of the way the human brain works to recall information, and especially in times of great stress. There are no solid facts to be found in this case other than a child is missing, that's it. So speculating about photo's and the grieving process with hints and double entendre is really neither here nor there.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I really didn't want to quote you here, but as you've indirectly quoted me, then I sort of have to really. Your post above seems reasonable enough. Just personal opinion no advancement of your own views, etc etc.

Lets ask Kizzy from the previous page what she thinks about the evidence:



Right, so the links in this thread are not meant to prove anything, but they are evidence, and not heresay?

Well that's wrong as well. Just by picking apart one piece of the facts on display from those links, which is easily done with the dogs, for example, then the whole thing is called into question. They aren't facts. It's an internet trolling group that get together to hound the McCanns, because they are convinced of their guilt. Chuff has made that perfectly clear in this thread already. When you click the links, they aren't people who are just throwing interesting things about the case into the public arena for s**ts and giggles, they're doing it to try and provide "evidence" for the guilt of the McCanns

Witness statements are notoriously unreliable because of the way the human brain works to recall information, and especially in times of great stress. There are no solid facts to be found in this case other than a child is missing, that's it. So speculating about photo's and the grieving process with hints and double entendre is really neither here nor there.

As you must know I do not usually answer your rubbish ,but this time I will make an exception ,Can you please tell me what Maddie groups you have been on ,and what give you the right to call people trolls ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I really didn't want to quote you here, but as you've indirectly quoted me, then I sort of have to really. Your post above seems reasonable enough. Just personal opinion no advancement of your own views, etc etc.

Lets ask Kizzy from the previous page what she thinks about the evidence:



Right, so the links in this thread are not meant to prove anything, but they are evidence, and not heresay?

Well that's wrong as well. Just by picking apart one piece of the facts on display from those links, which is easily done with the dogs, for example, then the whole thing is called into question. They aren't facts. It's an internet trolling group that get together to hound the McCanns, because they are convinced of their guilt. Chuff has made that perfectly clear in this thread already. When you click the links, they aren't people who are just throwing interesting things about the case into the public arena for s**ts and giggles, they're doing it to try and provide "evidence" for the guilt of the McCanns

Witness statements are notoriously unreliable because of the way the human brain works to recall information, and especially in times of great stress. There are no solid facts to be found in this case other than a child is missing, that's it. So speculating about photo's and the grieving process with hints and double entendre is really neither here nor there.

I am reasonable, all my responses have been rational and reasoned.
The links provided by both chuff and josy have provided factual information on witness statements, whether or not you choose to accept that or not is your choice, nobody else is forced to take your interpretation are they?
Reading as much information as you can and staying objective is key I think.

[Vanessa]

i think it's possible that maddie was kidnapped, just like Maria and Ben were. I hope they find these kids. They should be with their parents.

[chuff me dizzy]

Maddie abducted 4th May 2007 ,fund up and running by 13th

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id58.html

[chuff me dizzy]

In October 2007 it leaked that they has used the money to pay the mortgage


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-mortgage.html

[the truth]

why haven't they been at ;least investigated by social services for neglecting their babies abroad FOR YEARS

[the truth]

Have they financially gained from the various monies raised in the maddie campaign?

[the truth]

how can we justify spending millions on them and not on other missing children?
why too have these endless documentaries not mentioned madeleine had a mark on one eye , it may also be a different color?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

how can we justify spending millions on them and not on other missing children?
why too have these endless documentaries not mentioned madeleine had a mark on one eye , it may also be a different color?

No one could possibly justify the vast amount of money been thrown McCanns way esp after the millions donated to the "search fund they set up 6 DAYS after Maddies demise ,the eye thing ,early days police advised McCanns NOT to mention her eye as it could result as it could single her out and the "abductor" could harm her eye to prevent her being recognised, but McCanns ignored police advise and use the image in poster campaigns ,as Gerry said it was
"A good marketing ploy" since then they have played down her eye saying it was "just a tiny dot, hardly visible?????? they need to make their minds up

[the truth]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-mortgage.html

charity funds used to pay their mortgage according to this

[Kazanne]

People all have differing opinions and it's really petty imo,to get ancy because someone doesn't agree with you ,also I see no trolls ,just people who have different opinions,some agree some don't,nothing to get arsey over,there ARE several sites and links that can be read and people can then make their own minds up.I doubt very much that Chuff goes by what the red tops say,from what I've seen there is more than enough information out there.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People all have differing opinions and it's really petty imo,to get ancy because someone doesn't agree with you ,also I see no trolls ,just people who have different opinions,some agree some don't,nothing to get arsey over,there ARE several sites and links that can be read and people can then make their own minds up.I doubt very much that Chuff goes by what the red tops say,from what I've seen there is more than enough information out there.

Oh yes a lot than enough ,but its being ignored ,and people should be curious to why its being ignored ,the day I believe even the date
on a red top is a long way off

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People all have differing opinions and it's really petty imo,to get ancy because someone doesn't agree with you ,also I see no trolls ,just people who have different opinions,some agree some don't,nothing to get arsey over,there ARE several sites and links that can be read and people can then make their own minds up.I doubt very much that Chuff goes by what the red tops say,from what I've seen there is more than enough information out there.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Oh yes a lot than enough ,but its being ignored ,and people should be curious to why its being ignored ,the day I believe even the date
on a red top is a long way off

This is hilarious to me because Chuff is the one getting arsey with everyone else for not swallowing everything she says or daring to question some of her points.

Instead of responding with an answer, she throws passive aggressive comments insulting you.

No point engaging on a discussion forum unless you want to actually discuss and not just dictate.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

This is hilarious to me because Chuff is the one getting arsey with everyone else for not swallowing everything she says or daring to question some of her points.

Instead of responding with an answer, she throws passive aggressive comments insulting you.

No point engaging on a discussion forum unless you want to actually discuss and not just dictate.

There are certain types of people who are not capable of discussing the weather never mind a more deeper thing ,I can and will discuss with the right type of people until the cows come home, but people who play Candy Crush all day ? No thanks

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

There are certain types of people who are not capable of discussing the weather never mind a more deeper thing ,I can and will discuss with the right type of people until the cows come home, but people who play Candy Crush all day ? No thanks

You've not attempted discussion with anyone and made immature presumptions on their ability to have a conversation.

It's hard to engage in discussion with someone who tells you to **** off before you've opened your mouth.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

This is hilarious to me because Chuff is the one getting arsey with everyone else for not swallowing everything she says or daring to question some of her points.

Instead of responding with an answer, she throws passive aggressive comments insulting you.

No point engaging on a discussion forum unless you want to actually discuss and not just dictate.

shes not dictating anything, youre being very disingenuous saying that. she just giving her opiniuon and as much evidence and links as she can think of, also she is showing passion for the topic not aggression. totally different things.....maddie mcann and the tax paying brits who part fund this circus, deserve to have all sides looked at and should not be intimidated into silence by you or the money men

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes not dictating anything, youre being very disingenuous saying that. she just giving her opiniuon and as much evidence and links as she can think of, also she is showing passion for the topic not aggression. totally different things.....maddie mcann and the tax paying brits who part fund this circus, deserve to have all sides looked at and should not be intimidated into silence by you or the money men

Who said I want her silenced? Don't put words into my mouth.

When I'm personally insulted for daring to question her posts then I take issue with her "I'm right, you're wrong" arrogance.

As she said, she has no interest in discussing anything. She puts everyone into boxes and takes offence if you ask her to elaborate.

[GypsyGoth]

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they got matching "I killed Maddie and got away with it" tattoos?

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they got matching "I killed Maddie and got away with it" tattoos?

Me drinking vimto squash reading this.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they got matching "I killed Maddie and got away with it" tattoos?

That will be a FACT tomorrow.

[Lee.]

Chuff, what do you think actually happened that day in Portugal? I'm not being arsey, I'm genuinely interested.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Chuff, what do you think actually happened that day in Portugal? I'm not being arsey, I'm genuinely interested.

What i think happened is the same as the Portugese policeman they are now trying to silence, his book is based entirely on the police files ,the things that first sent warning bells flashing for me was
From night one Kate,Gerry claimed the shutters were smashed,they clearly were NOT

The first interview when neither had a tear in sight ,no eye contact

Setting up a search fund" within days (why did they think she was not coming back ? )

The Smith sighting ,now being claimed by SY as a new breakthrough ,its not its 6 years old

Why did Gordon Brown straight away send his spokesman Clarence Mitchell to Pdl ? did they do the same with any other missing child case ?

Why was Yvonne Martin (social worker) get sent away when she went to ask if she could be of help, but was seen talking to McCanns by David Payern who she recognised from a case she had worked on, he clearly saw her, shouted Kate,Gerry over, they went back and told Martin they didnt need her help



Gaspar statements where Leis police were told of paedo tendency in the tapas group ,and the fact Leic police decided to hold onto these statments for 7 months before handing them over to the Portuguese police working on the case

The most telling thing to me and countless others is the dog evidence

The rescheduled trip to Huelva on a bank holiday when everywhere is closed ,to hand out leaflets ,the lost hours and milage they refused to clarify ,the fact Maddies cadaver was in the car boot,which Gerry claimed was seabass? and the statement of a witness who said for days and nights following the Huelva trip McCanns kept the boot lid open

The making a list (with loads of crossing outs) BEFORE they rang the police ,they also deleted phone records too in the time before they rang police

Another ,now proven lie was Tanner witness statement claiming she saw the abductor, SY have dropped that ,so is she going to be charged with perjury?

Lots in Kates book is different to statements were made ,the vile page 129 in the book where Kate talks of "thinking of Maddies perfect,torn genitals" Im sorry but no Mother would think this way never mind put it in print in a book she wrote for her twins

Another damning thing is why did Kate refuse to answer 48 out of 49 police questions ?


Why would a group of intelligent adults not conserve a crime scene? when police arrived they had filled 5a with all Tapas group and Warner staff

I could go on,but I wont ,but everything I have quoted can be found in police files on the case

I don't think you've actually answered the question, you've just repeated stuff you posted earlier in the thread.