[arista]

[Afghanistan: National youth team
footballer Zaki Anwari
'dies in fall from plane' at Kabul airport

According to the Ariana football agency,
national youth team footballer
Zaki Anwari fell from a USAF Boeing C-17 on Monday.]


https://news.sky.com/story/afghanist...rport-12385326


Took the wrong route.

Tragic.

[Tom4784]

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[Parmy]

Again, you're stroking your imaginary crystal ball dezzy, thinking it gives you an insight into what people are actually thinking when the take the time to type out their opinion, you are merely trying to belittle people.


Its boring mate.

[Livia]

Raab needs to be sacked. Today.

Biden's only been in office a matter of months and already is responsible for the biggest cock-up this side of Vietnam.

[user104658]

I don't disagree that he bears a huge burden of responsibility but trying to absolve any of the last four presidents of blame in as silly as trying to absolve Biden himself... this has been a brewing inevitability for decades. I mean, Trump-supporters are sort of tying themselves in knots with the whole thing, posting videos of Trump a decade ago basically saying that the current situation was inevitable on exit... like... that video actually defends Biden, essentially. He's saying that there was no way to avoid the current situation. In fact I don't think most of Biden's share of the blame comes from his time as POTUS and the most recent events. He does get a nice big slice of the blame pie because he's been involved for decades.

Actually taking it back to 2001 doesn't even cut it... you have to go back another 20 years. Afghanistan was ****ed when the Soviets and the West decided to spend 10 years playing wargames between the Afghan Army and the Mujahideen all through the 80's. This **** goes back nearly 45 years, it's potentially unfixable.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't disagree that he bears a huge burden of responsibility but trying to absolve any of the last four presidents of blame in as silly as trying to absolve Biden himself... this has been a brewing inevitability for decades. I mean, Trump-supporters are sort of tying themselves in knots with the whole thing, posting videos of Trump a decade ago basically saying that the current situation was inevitable on exit... like... that video actually defends Biden, essentially. He's saying that there was no way to avoid the current situation. In fact I don't think most of Biden's share of the blame comes from his time as POTUS and the most recent events. He does get a nice big slice of the blame pie because he's been involved for decades.

Actually taking it back to 2001 doesn't even cut it... you have to go back another 20 years. Afghanistan was ****ed when the Soviets and the West decided to spend 10 years playing wargames between the Afghan Army and the Mujahideen all through the 80's. This **** goes back nearly 45 years, it's potentially unfixable.

Yeah, I get all that and I agree. It just seems like Sleepy old Joe has stumbled into the presidency and his first major act is... this.

But yeah, they are all responsible.

The Brits were in Afghanistan when Victoria was on the throne and no one's ever fared well there. It's like... doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

[thesheriff443]

Having viewed more information on this,
Biden and those around him screwed up big time and he will only serve one term in office and rightfully so.

[bots]

they have known for 18 months that this was going to be a challenging time. They could have started getting the translators etc out the country from then onward. The taliban have been making large advancements over the last month, again, plenty time to get the vulnerable out, but they didn't.

Raab shouldn't remain in his job. Everyone could see what was brewing over the last week, so he goes off and is unreachable on a beach. It was intentional. Similarly with Biden, he goes off and is unreachable too. They knew what was going to go down and scarpered. Biden comes across as completely callous and Raab just doesn't seem to give a toss

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they have known for 18 months that this was going to be a challenging time. They could have started getting the translators etc out the country from then onward. The taliban have been making large advancements over the last month, again, plenty time to get the vulnerable out, but they didn't.

Raab shouldn't remain in his job. Everyone could see what was brewing over the last week, so he goes off and is unreachable on a beach. It was intentional. Similarly with Biden, he goes off and is unreachable too. They knew what was going to go down and scarpered. Biden comes across as completely callous and Raab just doesn't seem to give a toss

I think this sums up things pretty well.

I still can't believe Biden's cold hearted speech the other night.
Staggering.

As for Raab, amidst the really strong speeches and genuine heartfelt caring expressed in the contributions in parliament in the debate on Wednesday..
The strongest too, coming from the government backbenchers side.

Seeing Raab with a grin on his face during the debate was really nauseating.

It's clear to me,on the Conservative backbenches, there's a wealth of talent left there, while some of the worst are in the higher positions of office.

Good grief, even Theresa May seemed far more reasoned and on the ball than most of the front bench of the government.
She spoke really well and strongly in my view.

There is no way Raab or any Foreign secretary in any government should stay in place now after this mess and particularly complacency as to it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I get all that and I agree. It just seems like Sleepy old Joe has stumbled into the presidency and his first major act is... this.

I feel like it's increasingly obvious that he was lobbed in rather than stumbling. The elephant in the room is that he's just too old and he seems tired already, he's only been there 6 months. He's there because they thought he had the best chance of beating Trump and he did beat Trump (yes he did, Alf ) but there were far better candidates for the actual office.

[Ninastar]

Just wanna say that I agree it’s the past 4-5 presidents fault and that pretty much everything about this has been handled so poorly, it’s embarrassing

However, I do think that if there’s one reason to ever go to war, it’s over an attack like 9/11 and 7/7 and the multiple terrorist attacks after that.

If you have a threat that basically murders anyone who isn’t a part of their belief system, you have to try and take the threat away and help the civilisation left behind.

This does go back 40+ years and if we ****ed up, we should be the ones to help stabilise it.

I’m not great with words and i ain’t the brightest tool in the crayon box, but I truly believe we left Afghanistan waaay too early and now all these deaths (on all sides) were ****ing pointless

I’m a big believer in intelligence/NSA/CIA etc etc and I believe that if we don’t use the insane ‘power’ that they have, we will be completely and utterly ****ed

[Ninastar]

Just wanna say that I agree it’s the past 4-5 presidents fault and that pretty much everything about this has been handled so poorly, it’s embarrassing

However, I do think that if there’s one reason to ever go to war, it’s over an attack like 9/11 and 7/7 and the multiple terrorist attacks after that.

If you have a threat that basically murders anyone who isn’t a part of their belief system, you have to try and take the threat away and help the civilisation left behind.

This does go back 40+ years and if we ****ed up, we should be the ones to help stabilise it.

I’m not great with words and i ain’t the brightest tool in the crayon box, but I truly believe we left Afghanistan waaay too early and now all these deaths (on all sides) were ****ing pointless

I’m a big believer in intelligence/NSA/CIA etc etc and I believe that if we don’t use the insane ‘power’ that they have, we will be completely and utterly ****ed

[Ninastar]

Double post am sorreh

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Just wanna say that I agree it’s the past 4-5 presidents fault and that pretty much everything about this has been handled so poorly, it’s embarrassing

However, I do think that if there’s one reason to ever go to war, it’s over an attack like 9/11 and 7/7 and the multiple terrorist attacks after that.

If you have a threat that basically murders anyone who isn’t a part of their belief system, you have to try and take the threat away and help the civilisation left behind.

This does go back 40+ years and if we ****ed up, we should be the ones to help stabilise it.

I’m not great with words and i ain’t the brightest tool in the crayon box, but I truly believe we left Afghanistan waaay too early and now all these deaths (on all sides) were ****ing pointless

I’m a big believer in intelligence/NSA/CIA etc etc and I believe that if we don’t use the insane ‘power’ that they have, we will be completely and utterly ****ed

I agree that once the west was "in" it should have committed to being there until the country had some sort of genuine political and social stability... even if that meant 4 more decades.

[Ninastar]

I think that’s what it’s gonna take, sadly. I am scared for the worlds future, but I know there’s nothing that can be done now

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

Raab needs to be sacked. Today.

Biden's only been in office a matter of months and already is responsible for the biggest cock-up this side of Vietnam.

Yep. If Trump was looking for an early Christmas present, this is going to be the ticket to his reelection in '24.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yep. If Trump was looking for an early Christmas present, this is going to be the ticket to his reelection in '24.

It’s like the universe keeps saying “suuuuppprisseeeeeee” and handing us another load of **** every time

[The Slim Reaper]

The biggest cock up since the iraq war; we don't have to go back as far as Vietnam.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Yep. If Trump was looking for an early Christmas present, this is going to be the ticket to his reelection in '24.

the hypocrisy at everyone voting for Trump then, when he at that point will be at the same age as Biden is now (and those exact people calling Biden old, senile, weak, but i can already imagine them calling Trump same as always ''strong, stable, young at heart'')

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the hypocrisy at everyone voting for Trump then, when he at that point will be at the same age as Biden is now (and those exact people calling Biden old, senile, weak, but i can already imagine them calling Trump same as always ''strong, stable, young at heart'')

There's old, and then there's old. Say what you want about Trump, be doesn't come off as someone in his seventies. And Biden really does.

It shouldn't affect how good a candidate is for the role of president, but in the eyes of "Joanna and Michael", a visibly old man with a weak voice and a stammer pales next to a bombastic booming-voiced creature...

If it weren't for his appalling handling of the pandemic, I still think Trump would have won.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's old, and then there's old. Say what you want about Trump, be doesn't come off as someone in his seventies. And Biden really does.

It shouldn't affect how good a candidate is for the role of president, but in the eyes of "Joanna and Michael", a visibly old man with a weak voice and a stammer pales next to a bombastic booming-voiced creature...

If it weren't for his appalling handling of the pandemic, I still think Trump would have won.

a reason why he shouldn't become president again

[bots]

i think people are diminishing it by calling it a cock up. It was far bigger than a whoops moment. I believe it was a wilful strategy over the last couple of years. They have all sorts of data modelling and projection tools at their disposal. They knew what the impact would be going back months. This narrative that they weren't expecting it, is an outright lie. If this had been unexpected, Biden would have been running around in a fury, but no, he was off on his hols with a large do not disturb sign on the door

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

a reason why he shouldn't become president again

I didn't say he should

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

[U.S. peace envoy Zalmay Khalilzad, left, and
Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban's top political leader,
shake hands in February 2020 as a peace deal is signed.]


This was Presidents Trump Deal
last year.
But New President Biden changed the date to the 11 of Sept.
with the 31st of August final day there.


At the Airport its a Lucky dip if you get out,sadly.


Private Contractors who worked as Security
have lost their jobs
and are trying to get, through the mess at the airport