[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not really how it works Nicky, some people being infected twice doesn't mean that it's likely for everyone to be prone to multiple infections.

For example, it is VERY unusual for people to get chicken pox twice - but it is possible. Measles, Mumps and Scarlet Fever (bacterial, not a virus) are other examples. Usually if you've had them once you won't get them again, but a small number of people do.

i think Covid is kinda different than those you mentioned, more deadly, more dangerous, more unknown

so that last sentence doesn't count here (or at least not until we know otherwise from scientists)

[Nicky91]

netherlands today numbers

7,393 new cases

now there are 1,410 in hospital of which 277 in ICU (a increase of 25 today)

34 new deaths

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i think Covid is kinda different than those you mentioned, more deadly, more dangerous, more unknown



so that last sentence doesn't count here (or at least not until we know otherwise from scientists)

Covid is not even close to being as dangerous as measles in an immune-naive population. Like... Incomparable. The reason we don't see high measles death rates is that there's a high level of population immunity (combination of natural/herd and vaccinated) because measles has been around for at least 1200 years (probably longer).

If you were to strip measles herd immunity out of the population and remove the vaccine, the death toll would make Covid look like a joke. In situations where an immune-naive population has had measles introduced (e.g. Native American tribes when the Europeans arrived) the death toll was massive.

[Toy Soldier]

Scarlet Fever is also no joke in children, both of my children have had it and it was very scary, especially in my eldest. Thankfully, it's bacterial and so a course of antibiotics will knock it down. Without antibiotics Scarlet Fever is again FAR more dangerous than Covid (in an individual sense) and the only reason it's not a huge deal today is that we know how to treat it and avoid the more serious complications (pneumonia, rheumatic fever, kidney disease). It's not usually serious in adults because adults have a good "base" level of strep (the bacteria) immunity. Again, it's about prolonged exposure.

Tl;dr as always, Covid is mostly only more worrying because its new.


On that topic; some interesting new research emerging that people who live or work with children (so parents, teachers etc.) are possibly less likely to get "bad" Covid because if increased recent exposure to other coronaviruses from kids. Which potentially means that Granny who had spent a lot of time with grandkids pre-Covid is at less risk because of better immune response.

Its all fascinating stuff, really.

[arista]

The Cock
Health Secretary is live on the news
Covid Debate Parliament

[Zizu]

I wish were being told the whole truth ..

I keep hearing that our schools are safe , the children are safe etc etc

Yet Sky News just said that SAGE are saying the best way of stopping this sharp increase in infections is to close schools and Universities again - government state this is not an option.


The stance taken by SAGE suggests that our schools are certainly not as safe as the government are telling us


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[arista]

[Nicky91]

Sweden has no measures and those low numbers?

they aren't testing enough then, those numbers should be up way higher at least around where germany is now, or above that

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I wish were being told the whole truth ..

I keep hearing that our schools are safe , the children are safe etc etc

Yet Sky News just said that SAGE are saying the best way of stopping this sharp increase in infections is to close schools and Universities again - government state this is not an option.


The stance taken by SAGE suggests that our schools are certainly not as safe as the government are telling us


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I think Universities going back, physically at least (they could have offered up fully digital courses, even with reduced entry requirements, to generate funding) was an error.

Closing schools it just isn't a viable long-term option - there's no guarantee of a vaccination programme at all, and certainly not rolled out within a year or more, and you can't just say "we'll just not have schools any more" for several years... putting aside the untold damage that would have on an entire generation - it makes it essentially impossible for single parents or both people in a couple to continue working, and putting health idealism aside, people need an income to survive. We're not talking about shutting schools for another couple of months - that would be pointless - you're talking shutting schools indefinitely. "Putting a hold" on education, one of the core essentials of any society. Something that has literally never been done, for any reason.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

they aren't testing enough then, those numbers should be up way higher at least around where germany is now, or above that

Germany's population is more than 8x that of Sweden so this is nonsense.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Germany's population is more than 8x that of Sweden so this is nonsense.

Sweden has more cases than they say, but if you do not test enough, you never get to know the real numbers

[bitontheslide]

Schools could be open over the summer months and closed over the winter, it's not rocket science

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Schools could be open over the summer months and closed over the winter, it's not rocket science

Yes but they are so behind in their study works

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

The Cock
Health Secretary is live on the news
Covid Debate Parliament

yes when he stood up I thought of you and your description of him arista.

[arista]

17,324 New Covid-19 Cases today

Patients in hospital
4,367

Patients in ventilator beds
507


143 Deaths today

Total Deaths : 43,018


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Vanessa]

Omg the deaths are going up again.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Omg the deaths are going up again.

this is mostly like that on a tuesday

some of what was not mentioned in the weekend

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-show-12103305

[UserSince2005]

Shame on the government. 143 had to lose their lives today just so schools can be open.

[Nicky91]

dutch minister of foreign affairs has handed out belgium as code orange status

you failures in dutch parliament are the last who can hand out those statusses

also slovenia, slovakia, austria under code orange


lmao as if they want any contagious dutch people to go there

[arista]

[5:09PM

Keir Starmer calls for 2-3 week circuit break lockdown, in line with SAGE recommendation
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has warned
the government "has lost control of infections
and is no longer following scientific advice".

"There's no longer time to give this prime minister
the benefit of the doubt," Sir Keir said in a televised
news conference.
He said the short lockdown should include a
"temporary set of clear and effective
restrictions designed to get the R rate down".
Schools would remain open, Mr Starmer says.]

[Nicky91]

France and Poland now also in code orange, according to our ministry of foreign affairs

[bitontheslide]

Portugal and Juventus forward Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for coronavirus, the Portuguese Football Federation (FPF) has announced.

The 35-year-old is "doing well, without symptoms, and in isolation", the FPF said in a statement.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Portugal and Juventus forward Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for coronavirus, the Portuguese Football Federation (FPF) has announced.

The 35-year-old is "doing well, without symptoms, and in isolation", the FPF said in a statement.

is not a huge surprise, given him having got a really busy social life

he now misses the nations league match against Sweden


this is where the difference is with professional sports, and amateur sports

professional sportspeople are tested daily, whereas amateur sportspeople cannot afford daily testing so they are more among risks

[bitontheslide]

The number of secondary schools in England sending home pupils because of Covid is increasing rather than diminishing, the latest official figures show.

There are 21% of secondary schools counted as not fully open - up from 18% the previous week and 8% in mid-September.

This is usually because they have sent home pupils in response to Covid cases.

About 7% of primary schools had to send home pupils, up from 5%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54524291