[Josy]

Originally Posted by Z

I feel like I'm living in a cuckoo clock, the Yes campaign basically didn't have a leg to stand on all this time, they were fighting an uphill battle trying to convince the people of Scotland to dip a toe, then a leg, then their whole selves into the unknown and all the Better Together "campaign" had to do was not sling mud back at the Yes campaign, whose campaigning method of choice has been to try and make the No side look stupid - not only did they completely take the bait but they then sent Alistair Darling to try and make them look good in a televised debate and he took the bait on live TV and now they have "call me Dave" Cameron taking the bait 8 days before the referendum. I actually think the yes campaign might win now, and I would never have predicted that in a million years. It's not because the Yes lot have been particularly good, it's because the No lot have been spectacularly bad. I'm on the fence and in principle I think I'm still a no voter but I wouldn't really care what the result was either way anymore. I can't call it anymore. I think a marginal yes victory or a marginal no victory.

You will care in the end because no matter what happens it's going to mean big changes for our country, atm the country is split down the middle and I just hope it can come back from that after this referendum, all I'm going to say is make your own decision, I have lost count of the amount of comments I have seen over the pst couple of weeks saying 'I'm not telling you how you should vote BUT' then go on to list reasons on why you should vote for what they think is right, so do your own research into things, you still have time and make sure you vote because every vote is extremely important.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Josy

You will care in the end because no matter what happens it's going to mean big changes for our country, atm the country is split down the middle and I just hope it can come back from that after this referendum, all I'm going to say is make your own decision, I have lost count of the amount of comments I have seen over the pst couple of weeks saying 'I'm not telling you how you should vote BUT' then go on to list reasons on why you should vote for what they think is right, so do your own research into things, you still have time and make sure you vote because every vote is extremely important.

I don't think the split is as bad as it seems. From what I've seen, people seem very able to discuss politics and independence and have it get heated, but then still be laughing and joking together when the topic changes to something else. Also... We're Scottish (and, after all, British) and therefore terminally accustomed to disappointment . Whichever side "wins", it's unlikely to spark riots, just a sense of "oh ffs. Oh well. Just have to make the best if it ". I mean... No one was jumping off bridges when the Tories got into power 4 years ago... And basically NO ONE wanted that.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Josy

You will care in the end because no matter what happens it's going to mean big changes for our country, atm the country is split down the middle and I just hope it can come back from that after this referendum, all I'm going to say is make your own decision, I have lost count of the amount of comments I have seen over the pst couple of weeks saying 'I'm not telling you how you should vote BUT' then go on to list reasons on why you should vote for what they think is right, so do your own research into things, you still have time and make sure you vote because every vote is extremely important.

the whole of the uk should get to vote as it we affect some outside scotland i say feck off scotland england don't need you

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by michael21

the whole of the uk should get to vote as it we affect some outside scotland i say feck off scotland england don't need you

If England could vote for independence then, would you vote for England to become independent from the rest of the UK?

[michael21]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If England could vote for independence then, would you vote for England to become independent from the rest of the UK?

what the hell are you talking about i saying england should also get to vote in the scotland independence referendum which is what this thread is about

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by michael21

the whole of the uk should get to vote as it we affect some outside scotland i say feck off scotland england don't need you

They're certainly acting like they need us

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

They're certainly acting like they need us

Exactly. If holding onto the Scottish land and people (only 5 million) is so important to England, then does it not follow that Scotland must be a net gain for the UK as a whole? If the loss would genuinely weaken England on the global stage... it's the only thing that makes sense. It simply CANNOT be about the people - 5 million is a significant number but not a HUGE dent in the UK's overall population - it HAS to be about everything else that Scotland has to offer. And if what Scotland has to offer is that important to a country of 60 million - consider... what must it be worth per-head to our own 5 million?

It's just a shame that this didn't come post-industrialisation. Just imagine how rich Scotland would be now if it had been independent before ANY of the oil had been claimed...

[arista]

Live Debate on Ch4HDNews

its the under 20 year year olds
that can swing the results
many more young want the Yes vote


And is so great that some Scottish Labour
are now voting Yes.


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[joeysteele]

It is a pity that since David Cameron took the trouble to go up to Scotland that instead of preaching to invited/selected audiences and doing the rounds of the bigger businesses,he actually took the time to 'talk to' the ordinary citizens of Scotland.
Unbelievable how this PM treats 'ordinary' people of any nation.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is a pity that since David Cameron took the trouble to go up to Scotland that instead of preaching to invited/selected audiences and doing the rounds of the bigger businesses,he actually took the time to 'talk to' the ordinary citizens of Scotland.
Unbelievable how this PM treats 'ordinary' people of any nation.

Yes and the Labour Leader
doing the same



Thats why a Live Debate
with the young on Ch4HDNews is better

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes and the Labour Leader
doing the same



Thats why a Live Debate
with the young on Ch4HDNews is better

No disagreement from me as to that but he has been round the streets a little more as has amazingly Nick Clegg,(never ceases to amaze me that Clegg dares to face any voters anywhere)..

David Cameron is however supposed the be the prime Minister of the whole UK and for me he should,instead of all these months sitting doing very little,have been fighting personally and doing more to protect the union.
Rather than be panicked into doing something at the last minute that again falls way short of what he needed to.

[Northern Monkey]

Said on C4 that to go independant Scotland would need around £130 Billion in reserves,They actually have £15 Billion.They could try to join the EU and dip into their funds but it would take too long.Apparently.

[lostalex]

so when does Ireland get to have a referendum? or maybe we should just allow some parts of Scotland to become separate?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so when does Ireland get to have a referendum? or maybe we should just allow some parts of Scotland to become separate?

The problem with ever trying to have a "proper" referendum in N.I (which I assume you mean, as R.O.I is already... well... a Republic...) is that the division is completely wrapped up in sectarianism. It could (and probably would) spill over into violence very quickly.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem with ever trying to have a "proper" referendum in N.I (which I assume you mean, as R.O.I is already... well... a Republic...) is that the division is completely wrapped up in sectarianism. It could (and probably would) spill over into violence very quickly.

No, i didn't mean the so-called Republic of Ireland, i mean All of Ireland, just like All of Scotland gets to vote...not just the parts that are pro Brritish, but the whole thing.

or should just SOME parts of Scotland then also get to vote for independence?

after this referendum should we then have a vote for just certain parts of Scotland to become their own republic?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

No, i didn't mean the so-called Republic of Ireland, i mean All of Ireland, just like All of Scotland gets to vote...not just the parts that are pro Brritish, but the whole thing.

or should just SOME parts of Scotland then also get to vote for independence?

after this referendum should we then have a vote for just certain parts of Scotland to become their own republic?

R.O.I and N.I are not two parts of the same country, though...

Originally Posted by michael21

the whole of the uk should get to vote as it we affect some outside scotland i say feck off scotland england don't need you

The fact that David Cameron and the other big players in London are currently sweating, simpering and casually ****ing in their pants right now suggests that England DOES need Scotland... to stay as prosperous as it possibly can, at least.

Some might argue that that's because the two are "stronger together"... but given that Scotland only has 5 million people - less than 10% of the overall population - the cynic in me wonders if it might not be because Scotland is, in fact, far more resource-wealthy per head and is being sucked dry by a population-heavy, resource-scarce London...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

R.O.I and N.I are not two parts of the same country, though...

they were once, and shouldn't they decide as a country.

[the truth]

we wouldnt vote for independence in england because the majority is in the south and theyre wealthier than everywhere else so were happy with the status quo overall

[lostalex]

The irish should decide as a nation, with no british interference. All of Ireland.

[arista]

Alex is live on Bloomberg
talking with the press of the world

[Nedusa]

Apparently when the total amount of Monies spent on welfare, benefits,NHS etc is divided into the total number of people in the UK, there are some interesting figures.

People living in Scotland receive on average £1,200 per annum per person more than their English conterparts. This extra money goes to fund free prescriptions,free further education and free old age care for all Scottish people.

So they already get a far better deal already and the current Govt is bending over backwards to offer them more to vote No and stay in the Union.

Why ??

Is it a case of keeping the UK punching above it's weight on the World stage, maybe Scotland should leave the Union.

But why would they want to if they have such a good deal, a deal that will only improve after the next round of "Devolution".




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[Northern Monkey]

Lol.Royal Bank of Scotland is planning to base itself in London in the event of a 'Yes' vote.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lol.Royal Bank of Scotland is planning to base itself in London in the event of a 'Yes' vote.

Lloyds are also thinking of moving to London in a 'Yes' vote.Lol,Don't think they've thought this through properly have they?All the businesses are gonna piss of to England.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Apparently when the total amount of Monies spent on welfare, benefits,NHS etc is divided into the total number of people in the UK, there are some interesting figures.

People living in Scotland receive on average £1,200 per annum per person more than their English conterparts. This extra money goes to fund free prescriptions,free further education and free old age care for all Scottish people.

So they already get a far better deal already and the current Govt is bending over backwards to offer them more to vote No and stay in the Union.

Why ??

Is it a case of keeping the UK punching above it's weight on the World stage, maybe Scotland should leave the Union.

But why would they want to if they have such a good deal, a deal that will only improve after the next round of "Devolution".

What you failed to mention is that during that year when Scotland received £1200 more public spending per head, is that we actually generated £1700 more of tax per head.


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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lol.Royal Bank of Scotland is planning to base itself in London in the event of a 'Yes' vote.

More scaremongering. The RBS May or may not re-register it's head office in London.. This would be a paper only excercises and operations would not be moved, not would jobs be lost or moved down south.

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lloyds are also thinking of moving to London in a 'Yes' vote.Lol,Don't think they've thought this through properly have they?All the businesses are gonna piss of to England.

More scaremongering again. The head office for lloyds bank is already situated in London, and has been for 100 years.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Lloyds are also thinking of moving to London in a 'Yes' vote.Lol,Don't think they've thought this through properly have they?All the businesses are gonna piss of to England.

This is a misrepresentation. They have all mentioned "considerations", but of course they'll be considering their position. In reality, it will likely come down to what happens in the few years immediately following independence at which point these large businesses will be able to assess what's best for them financially. Relocating and restaffing is a HUGE expense. None of them are realistically going to do it unless there are even bigger financial implications in staying. Essentially... it'll come down to Scotland offering them sweet enough incentives to stay, which they almost certainly will.

There's a very good reason that many large UK businesses base themselves out of Dublin, Jersey, etc...