[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We don't know how bad the economy is, the government may simply not have the money to bail out companies, no matter how unfair it may seem


Honestly, i think there is a lot of burying heads in the sand. If we are always locked down, the economy will suffer. We took an enormous hit locking down in March.

I wish people would set aside politics from all sides, and just take the best decisions for the country and accept them without scoring political points

If the government don't have the money to support their decisions, they shouldn't be imposing these restrictions then. In the long run those who do lose their jobs will be accessing state benefits to try and survive so the money will have to come from somewhere.

I don't know what the answer is but to drive people into poverty is not the answer in my opinion

[AnnieK]

Dominic Raab just said the Gov could push us into Tier 3 regardless but who will Police it? If the Gov tells pubs to shut but Burnham tells them to ignore it, who issues the fines? Gov or local councils? All getting very messy and the wheels are now starting to come off. Severe unrest will start soon

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I'm not a fan of Andy Burnham, he likes the sound if his own voice far too much but I do agree with him that shutting pubs doesn't go far enough. Our rates of infection are ridiculous and stopping people going for a drink but allowing them to do everything else is not going to drive rates down. The support package doesn't go far enough either. Many of the people working in hospitality up here do so for minimum wage....its called minimum wage for a reason....its the least amount of money anyone can be expected to live on and offering two thirds of minimum wage is not enough. Landlords won't accept two thirds of your rent, the council won't accept two thirds of your council tax etc etc. This virus is not going anywhere

I was listening to LBC the other day and the callers were asked to give their experiences of things .. one taxi driver based in our area (Gtr Manchester) was explaining that they were run off their feet at 10pm collecting people from pubs and taking them to someone’s house to carry on partying then going back numerous times to the same pubs and houses .. this idea of a 10pm curfew has just been bypassed up here


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And so they should.....lower paid workers should not suffer more at the hands of this virus (and government). Most people live to their means and for the majority of people losing a third of your income is going to cause some problems. For the lower paid workers those problems will translate into hardships - wherever they live in the country.

Absolutely I agree.

That point, it's called the minimum wage for a reason is the real conclusive point.

You shouldn't be expected to receive less.
Especially when government rulings, make it impossible to carry on earning same.

How anyone can think it right to reduce that income from no fault of the workers, is beyond me.

If we haven't the funds, which I doubt, he could find a million to paint a flag on a plane.
They can find endless funds to shove in the brexit chest.
Then borrow it.

Rates are low for borrowing at this time.
The economy is taking a big hit anyway.
Worry about rebuilding the economy once things improve.

However, at the start of this we were told by government that no one must lose out for doing the right thing.
It's amazing those racing to defend the government have seemingly forgot that statement.

Because under the current plans, those just trying to work and do the right thing are going to be heavily penalised and lose out.

I am an admirer of Andy Burnham, frankly I wish he'd been Labour leader nationally myself.
You're not a fan but even you Annie say he is right.
I think he is too.

This tier system has in my view loads of flaws to it.
These ugly threatening tones from government that they will force workers to lose so much.
A third of their incomes.
Is shocking.

While at the same time indicating because Burnham is pushing for more of their salaries kept intact.
Is akin to holding to ransom.

We are in part, paying also in this pandemic for the mess this government has made of most of all needed in this pandemic.
Here all these months on, still in a mess with testing.

Strapped for cash, with what they pay the track and trace managing.
Ł25,000 reportedly paid a DAY to 5 management consultants.
They can easily find that then.

The government is paying that from taxpayers funds.
Yet those on minimum wage are expected to roll over and accept an effective paycut.

There's reasoned expectations In a crisis and also blatant cruelty.
I know where I put this plan of the government's 3 tier cuts to minimum wage workers incomes.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I was listening to LBC the other day and the callers were asked to give their experiences of things .. one taxi driver based in our area (Gtr Manchester) was explaining that they were run off their feet at 10pm collecting people from pubs and taking them to someone’s house to carry on partying then going back numerous times to the same pubs and houses .. this idea of a 10pm curfew has just been bypassed up here


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I always thought the 10pm curfew was laughable anyway. Pushing everyone out onto the streets at the same time was never going to work. People feel they haven't had a proper "night" and were always going to go back somewhere to carry on. If they had done 11pm even it would have been better. There's just no answer to this as a whole. I am a firm believer of just ensuring me and my loved ones are safe and as protected as possible and then just try and live as normal as possible. I wear a mask, social distance and haven't been to a pub since the start of lock down so I can say I've done all I can to avoid the virus. My kid is in school so we've faced 2 lots of isolation but so far have remained healthy. I can't do much more. As I said, I don't know what the answer is but driving people to the point of homelessness and crippling drowning debt doesn't seem right

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I was listening to LBC the other day and the callers were asked to give their experiences of things .. one taxi driver based in our area (Gtr Manchester) was explaining that they were run off their feet at 10pm collecting people from pubs and taking them to someone’s house to carry on partying then going back numerous times to the same pubs and houses .. this idea of a 10pm curfew has just been bypassed up here


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While I condemn those piling into taxis, also should taxis be letting them do so however.

The rule of close by 10pm and all out, is the government's rule.
Which was always going to create this.

A funeral and wedding can only have limited numbers at them.

Perhaps pubs should have organised booking and more limited occupants particularly closer to the later evening hours.

Stressing the need for still caution rather that throwing caution to the wind.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

While I condemn those piling into taxis, also should taxis be letting them do so however.



The rule of close by 10pm and all out, is the government's rule.

Which was always going to create this.



A funeral and wedding can only have limited numbers at them.



Perhaps pubs should have organised booking and more limited occupants particularly closer to the later evening hours.



Stressing the need for still caution rather that throwing caution to the wind.

It’s a strange one .. can’t expect pubs / clubs to limit their numbers really as huge numbers have been going bust over the years and that was before this nightmare started .. they couldn’t make it pay before so they have no chance with restrictions imposed


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[Nicky91]

corona outbreak in switzerland after yodelling concert

few yodellers were infected with covid-19

so far there are 1,238 cases linked to this yodelling concert

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s a strange one .. can’t expect pubs / clubs to limit their numbers really as huge numbers have been going bust over the years and that was before this nightmare started .. they couldn’t make it pay before so they have no chance with restrictions imposed


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Well they've had to reduce capacity with the social distancing rules on being allowed to re-open.

The 10pm rule was always going to create more congregating.
There's a difference between the customers who are heading out for a few drinks, or a few drinks with a meal possibly too.
Then those determined to be there to the end, possibly for most of the day or evening.

Then at 10 pm meeting up with others from the pub they knew and heading off to homes afterwards.

That can happen at any closing time of course, however at 10,pm , I think it added to the risk more of it happening myself.

Just another ill thought out plan to me.

[bitontheslide]

im almost certain that the 10pm curfew was brought in because other countries across europe tried it and it made a difference. The UK is culturally very different from europe regarding pubs and nights out so it was never going to translate well

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

im almost certain that the 10pm curfew was brought in because other countries across europe tried it and it made a difference. The UK is culturally very different from europe regarding pubs and nights out so it was never going to translate well

Yep in a nutshell .

Other nations ( apart from the USA) seem to ‘work together’ to make a difference whilst our mentality is ‘how can we work AROUND this’ ..




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[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

6mins of Paul Johnson
he knows his stuff.

[arista]

[Covid: Southall wedding venue hosts 100-guest reception
Police have broken up a wedding reception where
more than 100 guests congregated
in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
The event at the Tudor Rose in Southall,
west London, on Tuesday evening
was described
as a "flagrant and arrogant violation of the law".
The venue's owner has been reported and
could face a fine of up to Ł10,000.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54564448

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Covid: Southall wedding venue hosts 100-guest reception
Police have broken up a wedding reception where
more than 100 guests congregated
in breach of coronavirus restrictions.
The event at the Tudor Rose in Southall,
west London, on Tuesday evening
was described
as a "flagrant and arrogant violation of the law".
The venue's owner has been reported and
could face a fine of up to Ł10,000.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54564448

They’ll all contribute to the fine . Ł100 each average


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[Nicky91]

Japan will experiment later this month, getting some audiences at sports events again

at three baseball matches to fill up the stadiums for 80%

if this experiment does not lead to more cases, it could be good news for the 2021 summer olympics

[Strictly Jake]

Not sure if its been mentioned yet sorry if it has. But lancashire including where I live are on tier 3 as of midnight. Doesnt make a right lot of difference to me as I still work my university job and I didnt socialise much this year so thats not a big deal either

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Japan will experiment later this month, getting some audiences at sports events again

at three baseball matches to fill up the stadiums for 80%

if this experiment does not lead to more cases, it could be good news for the 2021 summer olympics

Finland had fans when they played Ireland in the Nations League on Wednesday

[arista]

[Coronavirus: Lancashire moved into
highest level of COVID restrictions
The government has confirmed Tier 3 restrictions
will come into force from 00.01 on Saturday]

[The new restrictions cover Burnley, Blackburn with Darwen,
Blackpool, Chorley, Fylde, Hyndburn, Lancaster,
Pendle, Preston, Ribble Valley, Rossendale,
South Ribble, West Lancashire, Wyre.]


[Bars and pubs across Lancashire will close after local leaders agreed
the county should move into Tier 3 of England's lockdown system.
It means towns such as Blackpool, Blackburn and Fleetwood join
the Liverpool City Region in the highest level of coronavirus restrictions.]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ystem-12105261

[joeysteele]

How can gyms be still open under tier 3 while have to be closed in Liverpool.

Are the conditions of tier 3 set or not.

Or as Liverpool has indicated, is there a tier 3A and a tier 3B.

Plus they've given Lancashire a better package too it seems.

So here it seems the contradictory/confusion reigns again.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Not sure if its been mentioned yet sorry if it has. But Lancashire including where I live are on tier 3 as of midnight. Doesnt make a right lot of difference to me as I still work my university job and I didnt socialise much this year so thats not a big deal either

Yes Tier 3 agreed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How can gyms be still open under tier 3 while have to be closed in Liverpool.

Are the conditions of tier 3 set or not.

Or as Liverpool has indicated, is there a tier 3A and a tier 3B.

Plus they've given Lancashire a better package too it seems.

So here it seems the contradictory/confusion reigns again.

Yes it appears to be 3A and 3B

[arista]

[Pret A Manger to shed another 400 jobs as recovery stalls over pandemic]

adding more to their 2,800 staff shed. (August)

https://news.sky.com/story/pret-a-ma...demic-12105524