[Livia]

I note it's mostly men who support trans women. Thank goodness for the men who stand by us.

[thesheriff443]

The trans community also includes females that transition to males
I have another good friend who has a daughter that is trans female to male
Thankfully not all men and women think the same

[Christmas Dynasnow]

wtaf

For the first time, 3 men in a polyamorous relationship have been allowed to adopt.

The throuple picked a 3-year-old girl from Quebec's child protection services, marking
the province's first such case for an all-male throuple.

The adoption was finalized “following a rigorous home study and court approval,” with
two men listed as legal parents and the third pursuing full recognition under Quebec's
updated family laws from a 2021 ruling

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1971739308177473637

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

wtaf

For the first time, 3 men in a polyamorous relationship have been allowed to adopt.

The throuple picked a 3-year-old girl from Quebec's child protection services, marking
the province's first such case for an all-male throuple.

The adoption was finalized “following a rigorous home study and court approval,” with
two men listed as legal parents and the third pursuing full recognition under Quebec's
updated family laws from a 2021 ruling

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1971739308177473637

Has nothing to do with trans

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Has nothing to do with trans

Also is it actually true? The post on X has no actual proof/link. Not saying it’s not, but they could at least provide a link to the source.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Also is it actually true? The post on X has no actual proof/link. Not saying it’s not, but they could at least provide a link to the source.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/arti...em-as-parents/

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There is good and bad in every community we can’t tar everyone with the same brush

My late neighbours granddaughter is trans and on medication
If you met her and was not aware of her transition you wouldn’t know

While we respect women’s rights we also have to be kind and respectful to those genuine trans people who just want to live their life

Not tarring everyone with the same brush we are talking about a specific incident, and I wonder why this person was not arrested and sent to prison for inciting violence against women?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The trans community also includes females that transition to males
I have another good friend who has a daughter that is trans female to male
Thankfully not all men and women think the same

and you hear nada about transmen...why is that

[Christmas Dynasnow]

When a panelist asked if biological sex was real on Question Time you would think a
plague a locusts had entered the studio from Fiona Bruce’s reaction..


“Oh my goodness. It’s a question and it’s a MASSIVE question… it should be
discussed at length and not in a soundbite.”

video here - https://x.com/JohnJamesNI/status/1971659567395442777

JK Rowling
@jk Rowling

It’s such a massive question that it can be answered with a single word: ‘yes.’
What’s truly massive is the chicanery of members of the commentator class
who’re too scared of ideologues both inside and outside their workplace to
permit that single word to be uttered.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not tarring everyone with the same brush we are talking about a specific incident, and I wonder why this person was not arrested and sent to prison for inciting violence against women?

I don’t know why they didn’t get arrested

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There is good and bad in every community we can’t tar everyone with the same brush

My late neighbours granddaughter is trans and on medication
If you met her and was not aware of her transition you wouldn’t know

While we respect women’s rights we also have to be kind and respectful to those genuine trans people who just want to live their life

Some people on here only condemn the vile acts of some in the trans community while staying silent on the vile acts of the cis straight men who are a far greater risk to women than trans women.

The only time you will find outrage about cis men are when they are non-white, left ring or gay. Everything else, the usual forum members literally pretend doesn't happen. It's grim.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Some people on here only condemn the vile acts of some in the trans community while staying silent on the vile acts of the cis straight men who are a far greater risk to women than trans women.

The only time you will find outrage about cis men are when they are non-white, left ring or gay. Everything else, the usual forum members literally pretend doesn't happen. It's grim.

Not true at all but carry on, no one believes the guy above is a trans woman fgs apart from maybe you

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

I note it's mostly men who support trans women. Thank goodness for the men who stand by us.

Incorrect, women support trans women more than men support trans women. Polling has made this clear

People should be able to identify as being of a different gender to the one they had recorded at birth
Men: 42%
Women: 55%

Transgender women should not be allowed to take part in women's sporting events
Men: 77%
Women: 72%

Transgender women should not be allowed to use women's changing rooms?
Men: 61%
Women: 55%

Transgender women should not be allowed to use women's toilets?
Men: 57%
Women: 53%

Transgender women should not be allowed to use women's refuges for victims of rape or assault
Men: 54%
Women: 49%

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms presents a genuine risk of harm to women?
Men: 57%
Women: 53%

It also shows acceptance for trans people significantly increases from those who have friends or family who is trans compared to someone who doesn't know anyone who is trans, which is unsurprising but logical - people who know trans people will have taken the time to understand trans people behind the fear-mongering headlines and see beyond the warped rhetoric they are the biggest threat to women this country faces.

Source: https://ygo-assets-websites-editoria...study_2024.pdf

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not true at all but carry on, no one believes the guy above is a trans woman fgs apart from maybe you

Well that we can agree on, it's obviously a cis man taking advantage of the system, but I still never really see you really condemn the acts of straight white cis men - usually if you do it's about one coopting a trans identity and you ask the question why trans women aren't doing anything about it, instead of asking why aren't cis men doing anything about it when they're the ones doing it....

Every time I bring up the vile behaviour from those cis white straight men on the right, it goes completely ignored by the four who shout the loudest about women's safety. Every single time. Which is crazy because they are obviously the bigger threat to women yet we keep on just putting the focus on minorities because this place is an echo chamber of bigotry.

Have you ever questioned why the loudest member of the forum, when it comes to highlighting the vile acts of trans people, gay people and people of colour is a straight white men who supports... women's safety advocate erm...*checks notes* Donald Trump.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Well that we can agree on, it's obviously a cis man taking advantage of the system, but I still never really see you really condemn the acts of straight white cis men - usually if you do it's about one coopting a trans identity and you ask the question why trans women aren't doing anything about it, instead of asking why aren't cis men doing anything about it when they're the ones doing it....

Every time I bring up the vile behaviour from those cis white straight men on the right, it goes completely ignored by the four who shout the loudest about women's safety. Every single time. Which is crazy because they are obviously the bigger threat to women yet we keep on just putting the focus on minorities because this place is an echo chamber of bigotry.

Have you ever questioned why the loudest member of the forum, when it comes to highlighting the vile acts of trans people, gay people and people of colour is a straight white men who supports... women's safety advocate erm...*checks notes* Donald Trump.

Me and quiet a few others have said from the get go that men will take advantage of self ID to access women, insert themselves into womens sports, womens prisons etc how is that not condemning MEN? for my trouble I have been called a Bigot and a Terf, I have no agency over anyone else on the forum, what they post or their political leanings much the same as yourself

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Me and quiet a few others have said from the get go that men will take advantage of self ID to access women, insert themselves into womens sports, womens prisons etc how is that not condemning MEN?

Because you constantly say that trans women and the LGBT to speak up on the crimes being committed by them, while I have never seen you put the onus on the straight, cis male community to speak up even though it's their demographic doing it, that's why.

The articles aren't posted with good intention to shine a spotlight on the crimes of men and how it's awful for both women and trans women, they are posted with the intention to say "this is why the 'trans movement' is problematic'. The messaging is just a way to **** on trans people rather than to call out yet another issue straight cis men have created.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Bill is a LA Liberal but he is sick of this BS

🚨NEW: Bill Maher BRUTALLY breaks down why Conservatives *CAN'T* align
themselves with Left🚨

"They see gender as only a construct and sex as assigned at birth. And they
say, 'We're not doing that!' Transing kids by self-diagnosis with no age limit,
no parental notification and no acknowledgement of social contagion? Not
doing it!"

"Asylum now covers any reason for anyone to come to America — not doing
it! Homelessness is a lifestyle. Natural immunity doesn't count anymore.
Whiteness is toxic. Penises in women's prisons. Welcoming the intifada. We're
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ever come down the pike is not a formula that's really working for you."

video here - https://x.com/JasonJournoDC/status/1971911223953285547

[BBXX]

Last week late night talk show hosts were liberals with lefty guests and that was used to undermine them and today we’re using them as a mouthpiece to further an opinion. Lol.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Last week late night talk show hosts were liberals with lefty guests and that was used to undermine them and today we’re using them as a mouthpiece to further an opinion. Lol.

Bill has a wide variety of views on his shows - you should watch some as you may learn about different viewpoints to your own.

I find that valuable

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Bill has a wide variety of views on his shows - you should watch some as you may learn about different viewpoints to your own.

I find that valuable

Yet the only ones you have shared are those talking negatively about trans people which is your go to topic.

I’m economically right-wing and socially left-wing - that’s not a combination I have come to by listening to an echo chamber.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yet the only ones you have shared are those talking negatively about trans people which is your go to topic.

I’m economically right-wing and socially left-wing - that’s not a combination I have come to by listening to an echo chamber.

Surely you don't rely on more for your viewing pleasure

Go out and broaden your mind and use google

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Because you constantly say that trans women and the LGBT to speak up on the crimes being committed by them, while I have never seen you put the onus on the straight, cis male community to speak up even though it's their demographic doing it, that's why.

The articles aren't posted with good intention to shine a spotlight on the crimes of men and how it's awful for both women and trans women, they are posted with the intention to say "this is why the 'trans movement' is problematic'. The messaging is just a way to **** on trans people rather than to call out yet another issue straight cis men have created.

Transwomen say they are women, yet will not stand with women, why would men get involved its not their problem that some other men want to take advantage of self ID, its a problem for women and for actual transwomen, women dont need men to fight their battles, but its a mystery to me why transwomen let men walk all over them by jumping on the bandwagon for their own gain

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Transwomen say they are women, yet will not stand with women, why would men get involved its not their problem that some other men want to take advantage of self ID, its a problem for women and for actual transwomen, women dont need men to fight their battles, but its a mystery to me why transwomen let men walk all over them by jumping on the bandwagon for their own gain

I see what you're saying, but I view it not so much about men fighting women's battles, but men holding other men accountable.

Away from the trans issue for example, women already talk about violence and sexism against women as an issue and society, right so, implores men to do the same. Someone who wants to harm women and who is a sexist pig isn't going to listen to women speaking about issues affecting them - much less trans women - but they are (unfortunately, really) more likely to listen to their fellow men and so for me, the change comes from within the demographic of those committing the act to talk out against it, rather than the victims of the act.

I appreciate on wider topics, where there is no clear defined group of people who are culpable - such as homophobia, which can come from anyone - it's important for the group affected to speak out and raise awareness - but when the issue is coming from one demographic - straight men in this case - it's up to people within that community to call out any behaviour their friends or colleagues etc... may exhibit that makes them a danger towards women.

Having said all that, cis men co-opting trans women's identities to attack other women is rare. That's not to downplay it, because any attack is horrendous, but because there is so much conversation about it, it's worth reminding people it shouldn't be the focus because otherwise we are at risk of forgetting the actual bigger risks.

That's why discussing this topic on here feels disingenuous. There is so much conversation about the safety of women and girls and yet conversation around the main culprits is so often ignored (not specifically from you) or misdirected.

I outlined exactly who women are at risk from and none of the loudest proponents of women's safety acknowledged the statistics, nobody say a thing about the men on the march telling women to get their tits out, nobody said anything about a woman being more likely to be murdered by her son than a stranger, nobody said anything about a large proportion of the men campaigning against migrants in the name of safety of women and girls being known to police for domestic violence accusations, nobody acknowledged the sexism and violence against women that runs through people who identify politically as right-wing and nobody who supports Tommy Robinson for example acknowledged his past indiscretions when it comes to women in a thread supporting his march and those on it.

Instead the posts were ignored and the conversation was shifted to calling for Ant Middleton - a man who has a conviction for assaulting a female police officer - to become Mayor, grooming gangs, or more bizarrely was shifted to talking about the domestic violence rates within gay relationships.

I know those didn't come from you and I am not asking you to defend or critique those members or take accountability for them, I'm just using it as a live example of how it's impossible to have an honest conversation about the safety of women when the main risk towards women is constantly ignored by the demographic who are the main cause of it.

I fail to believe anyone who supports the likes of your Tommy Robinson's, Nigel Farage's, Charlie Kirks or Donald Trumps, who turns around and whose only conversation about the safety of women and girls is when it's related to 'trans' people or minorities is being honest about their care for the topic at hand. They are using it - using the subject of women being assaulted - as examples to affirm why their negative viewpoints about minorities are correct. How anyone can align themselves with these members and believe they have a shared interest is women is baffling to me.

That isn't me blaming you for their viewpoints, but it is me highlighting the reason I find it strange you (and Livia) are always happy to call me out on the subject while standing in support of them.

I believe you and I (and Livia) have far more in common when it comes to actually caring about women than perhaps you would think.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by bots

what i see here is the same old problem on repeat. A bunch of guys saying what is and is not acceptable regarding laws/rules toward women. Give yourselves a shake

The supreme court already clarified the law.

We all know the law.

But like everything that Starmer does he has created a problem within this particular law, and it is fair to question if it's right to have Transwomen (who don't have a penis anymore) being in bathrooms and changing rooms with men.

Obviously there were problems with perverts pretending to be Transgender to access women's bathrooms before, I do understand that.

My point is that Starmer/Labour need to find a solution that endangers nobody towards being in a vulnerable situation with a sex pest.

These are the types of situations that Starmer needs to show why he should be the leader of the Labour Party, and why it was right for the public to have elected him against Sunak.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

If you are a lone 5 foot woman in a bathroom and a 6 foot 2 man in a wig walks in. How do you know he has?

That's a fair point.

And that's why we have politicians to help come up with the solutions for us.