[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Without live feed, how do you think we can do this?

Without live feed of David stealing, how can you accuse him? Goes both ways Vicky.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Valid points? By questioning the motivation that's behind him wanting to be friends with certain housemates- questioning him over the associations he's made and if they're purely tactical. He has absolutely no right to be judging him like this and in front of everyone else. It was a terrible thing to do.

Im sure freddie feels they are valid points, especially about david being friends with lisa, after he saw how she behaved in the start.

He sees lisa and david as singling bea out, like lisas gang did with him in the past. He will see it like this as he doesnt see beas stirring of things. So he felt the need to say something. As he doesnt want his friend going through what he went through.


[Edit] I believe this answers kisywisys post also. Saying freddie was having a go, not sticking up for his friend.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Hedgie
There needs to be a Bea2000 terminator style piccy in the bb art thread

There does, with some reference images to Freddie and Marcus ... would be spot on.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden

Without live feed of David stealing, how can you accuse him? Goes both ways Vicky.

Im not the one accusing him of stealing. Im saying I believe marcus and freddie. They accused him, not me, and they are there all the time. I chose to believe them over david.

[PECH06]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers

I totaly agree with you on every point...

Did you also notice how Lisa walked in through one door and did her "Blah, Blah, Blah", then walked out the other door before anyone REALLY had a chance to say anything to her!

Gone in 20 seconds!

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Hedgie

Nope. I'd wait till midnight, cook it all and eat every last bit. Marcus and Freddie aren't liars. I believe David took the food.

when freddie spoke to marcus by the pool a few days ago about the missing food, his words were, "i've got a feeling, nothing more that a feeling that david is stealing the food" they have got no proof and the whole thing started because of freddie's 'feeling'

marcus and freddie then told bea what they thought and she didn't know what they were talking about. then she started making digs at david about the food. she was going on what marcus and freddie told her. those three have talked their suspicions to into fact

[jean51]

i prefer lisa to them three i have watched that video and freddie bea and marcus was bang out of order. freddie is going down becus of marcus and bea!! oh and bea was snuggling up to freddie on live feed tonight hoping the public would see a growing romance and keep her in she is worst than noirin.

[golden]

Originally posted by Hedgie

We don't have live feed. It's a moot point really.

Freddie said he saw him take the food didn't he?

Fred did not see him...Marcus told him.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Im sure freddie feels they are valid points, especially about david being friends with lisa, after he saw how she behaved in the start.

He sees lisa and david as singling bea out, like lisas gang did with him in the past. He will see it like this as he doesnt see beas stirring of things. So he felt the need to say something. As he doesnt want his friend going through what he went through.

Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.

Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, (which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her) I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.


In real life, if I someone bullied me, and then moved onto my friend (but I didnt know it was my friends fault) i would also say something, which is the same thing really.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by kisywisy

marcus and freddie then told bea what they thought and she didn't know what they were talking about. then she started making digs at david about the food. she was going on what marcus and freddie told her. those three have talked their suspicions to into fact

Then i agree that it was norty of Bea, Freddie and Marcus to go off on David with no actual proof.

But i still love Marcus and want him to win

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Hedgie

Then i agree that it was norty of Bea, Freddie and Marcus to go off on David with no actual proof.

But i still love Marcus and want him to win

Yeah, freddie did not say anything about the food though. His point was totally different. Bea brought up the food again.

[clairem43]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, (which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her) I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.


In real life, if I someone bullied me, and then moved onto my friend (but I didnt know it was my friends fault) i would also say something, which is the same thing really.

But thats the thing Bea is doing the exact same thing Lisa did and for Freddie to play along with that makes him the bigger fool out of it cause he should understand what it is like to be in the situation and should try resolve it rather than provoke it along and create a bigger situation out of it! A person who has been Bullied should know not to take another Bullys side and to take a bullys side it makes them a lesser person!

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her, I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.

It's insane to suggest that David went to Lisa as part of some mad strategy to win the show. I mean, that's a bit of a stretch considering Davids mental capacity and I'm struggling to see how anyone could fashion a victory out of an alliance with Lisa.

He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Im not the one accusing him of stealing. Im saying I believe marcus and freddie. They accused him, not me, and they are there all the time. I chose to believe them over david.

Er ok so you agree with the people that accused him of stealing food meaning you believe he stole the food...without seeing it live you believe it...
so you agree with my post

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by clairem43

But thats the thing Bea is doing the exact same thing Lisa did and for Freddie to play along with that makes him the bigger fool out of it cause he should understand what it is like to be in the situation and should try resolve it rather than provoke it along and create a bigger situation out of it! A person who has been Bullied should know not to take another Bullys side and to take a bullys side it makes them a lesser person!

He does not see Bea as a bully though. He does see her as being picked on by david, from her ridiculous display of being upset yesterday...

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden


Er ok so you agree with the people that accused him of stealing food meaning you believe he stole the food...without seeing it live you believe it...
so you agree with my post

No. Stop trying to twist my words. I did not see him steal it. But they are there. They are more likely to know than us.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

He can make friends with whomever he wishes, just like Bea is creating an army of delusional lapdogs who will run around her and agree with her, just to gain appeasement from her. How pathetic.

He obviously likes Lisa and they have a lot in common, especially smoking. Infact it shows HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WINNING, to risk making friends with an unpopular HM (from the outside view).

Freddie is turning pathetic and nasty because he's so engrossed in just playing out this fantasy scenario of him protecting his princess. He's become very biased, deluded and brainwashed.

He has blind spots towards Bea's manipulative ways and scheming actions. He fails to see her awful intentions, yet it's right infront of him!

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Yeah, freddie did not say anything about the food though. His point was totally different. Bea brought up the food again.

The food was the catalyst though? Without that, it was just 2 groups having a barney because they dislike each other. although i can understand why. Lisa bullied freddie and David absolutely dominated Hira in a scary way when she had the task.
I'll watch the vid tmorra and rejoin the dogfight. Right now it's my bedtime! Gnite y'all

[clairem43]

Originally posted by VickyJ

He does not see Bea as a bully though. He does see her as being picked on by david, from her ridiculous display of being upset yesterday...

But David was upset too, he wouldn't listen to David and take his opinion of the matter into hand and only decided to take Bea's displays on what happened into consideration and to that then take on someone for been friends with another person cause they bullied him! He doesn't realise him and David are actually in the same situation and is making David out to be in the wrong which infact maybe the both of them are and need to stear clear of both of them! David is blind to what lisa did, Freddie is blind to what Bea has done!

[StevieGeire]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers

do u have the link.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta

It's insane to suggest that David went to Lisa as part of some mad strategy to win the show. I mean, that's a bit of a stretch considering Davids mental capacity and I'm struggling to see how anyone could fashion a victory out of an alliance with Lisa.

He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

I know its through Bea indirectly. As shes making out shes being bullied. This is why freddie stuck up for her. He thinks shes being picked on, and believes lisa is behind it pulling davids strings. Which is half true, lisa does keep winding things up.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by StevieGeire


do u have the link.

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...3bc069/play.c4


And Ive transcripted the conversation aswell, the link for that is on the front page, it is as much word for word as i could get it

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by clairem43

But David was upset too, he wouldn't listen to David and take his opinion of the matter into hand and only decided to take Bea's displays on what happened into consideration and to that then take on someone for been friends with another person cause they bullied him! He doesn't realise him and David are actually in the same situation and is making David out to be in the wrong which infact maybe the both of them are and need to stear clear of both of them! David is blind to what lisa did, Freddie is blind to what Bea has done!

Yeah, the difference being though, of course, that david is not blind to what lisa did, as he watched it

Freddie is letting his heart rule his head IMO...and it will end bad, but i still dont see how people are blaming freddie for it, I really dont.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I know its through Bea indirectly. As shes making out shes being bullied. This is why freddie stuck up for her. He thinks shes being picked on, and believes lisa is behind it pulling davids strings. Which is half true, lisa does keep winding things up.

Of course Bea has pushed Freddie in this direction of thinking, but that doesn't excuse his attack on David there in front of everyone. It was a moment of stupidity on his part, and kinda illustrates where his mind is right now. And it's not a good place to be.