[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta

You're still going on and on about panic attacks when it was just a guy getting upset and angry over the betrayal of a woman and from seeing his position within the house diminish as a result. That's all it was..... you're letting hatred of Bea persuade you into thinking that everything Freddie said was truth.

You have just proved my point.

And I dont hate bea at all.

[CaudleHalbard]

Why did they cut freddie having a panic attack out of the repeat?

Because the sponsors (Lucozade) probably complained!

Cynical? Moi?

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

You have just proved my point.

And I dont hate bea at all.

Ah, you don't like her though... fairly obvious from past posts. And the guy was just upset but was still coherent and functioning. His power of influence is gone now and that drove him to self pity and anger..... sure look at the anger in his face when he spoke to her on the last occassion. It's like this forum has turned into a crisis hotline or something.... absolutely mental.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta

Ah, you don't like her though... fairly obvious from past posts. And the guy was just upset but was still coherent and functioning. His power of influence is gone now and that drove him to self pity and anger..... sure look at the anger in his face when he spoke to her on the last occassion. It's like this forum has turned into a crisis hotline or something.... absolutely mental.

Well I cant reply because apparently me discussing my opinion is me trying to force my views on others...this is apparently the new logic applied to this forum

And no i dont particularly like her recently...but i certainly dont hate her.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Well I cant reply because apparently me discussing my opinion is me trying to force my views on others...this is apparently the new logic applied to this forum

And no i dont particularly like her recently...but i certainly dont hate her.

Come on Vicky, you can be very strongly opionated and are quick to react to anyone right now who suggests that this was nothing more than an angry and frustrated young man who's seen his main ally switch sides, thereby shifting the balance of power within the house.

Freddie is a bright guy and he knows what's just occured. She's a crazy and vindictive young lady who would stab anyone in the back to get into the final..... think that was fairly evident 2 or 3 days ago for the viewers and for Freddie. This is just Freddies growing realisation that Lisa's back.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta

Come on Vicky, you can be very strongly opionated and are quick to react to anyone right now who suggests that this was nothing more than an angry and frustrated young man who's seen his main ally switch sides, thereby shifting the balance of power within the house.

Freddie is a bright guy and he knows what's just occured. She's a crazy and vindictive young lady who would stab anyone in the back to get into the final..... think that was fairly evident 2 or 3 days ago for the viewers and for Freddie. This is just Freddies growing realisation that Lisa's back.

Whatever...Im sick of arguing with people who cant see the wood for the trees to be honest.

If you dont believe it, you dont believe it, but that doesnt say it didnt happen.

[BBmassive]

spot on setanta

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Doctors collect a set of symptoms and then come to a view (NOT a fact) that what they are seeing is a panic attack. Sufficent presenting symptoms lead them to believe (on the balance of probability they are dealing with a panic attack.

What a wonderful black and white world you must live in where there are only facts. You must NEVER have to make a difficult decision, weighing the competing evidence.

As Nietsche said "There are no facts only perpectives".

It is not me living in a 'black and white' world - it is others on this forum! I am the one saying that there are other possibilities - not just that he has or he hasn't!

So if a person is diagnosed as having say cancer and they have chemotherapy in an attempt to kill the cancer cells - that is not fact! You talk rubbish!

Freddie's dyslexia can't be fact then!

Forum members' diagnosed panic attacks are not fact!

A diagnosis - after all relevant tests and examinations have been made - is understood to be fact!

Don't play with words - we all know what is meant by fact!

[CaudleHalbard]

Freddie's main panic is that he has lost popularity as a result of joining the Rebel Crew.

If he hadn't actually said he was having a panic attack one can easily imagine that people on here would be saying he's an "overacting tosser" - or words to that effect.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBmassive
spot on setanta

I take it then, that basically everyone except me can bleat their views around then...however when I do it I am trying to force my views on others? I get it now. Cheers.

It is a case of anyone who agrees with you is right and 'allowed' to post their views, anyone who disagrees should just accept that others have an opinion.


I did have respect for you as a poster. Clearly I was wrong.

[minx36]

Heck I only watched the repeat, I was appauled at what I saw!

Speachless...

[bluehill]

i found it quite enjoyable. i mean it is bad to see someone brakedown, but its the bb house what do you expect.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I agree with you VickyJ.

[Tom]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I thought this might be the reason.

Or it was classed as distressing to watch, but I think the whole arguement was quite distressing.

To the people who said he was faking it, do you really think they would cut out an 'obviously fake panic attack'?

So they'll cut it out of the repeat because its distressing but they'll poke fun at it on BBLB? OK then.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Tom

So they'll cut it out of the repeat because its distressing but they'll poke fun at it on BBLB? OK then.

What reason do you suggest?

I seriously made this thread because I didnt know why they would cut it...

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Whatever...Im sick of arguing with people who cant see the wood for the trees to be honest.

If you dont believe it, you dont believe it, but that doesnt say it didnt happen.

Yes, what happened was Bea had a go at him but sure she's been doing this for a few days now... why has it suddenly affected him so much when clearly she was just as bad the night before? Think it was her moving bed that finalised the whole shift of power in the house and that's what led to Freddies rage and sadness.

She's a calculated and hateful young lady and I don't for one minute condone her behaviour in any of this; my problem is the reference to panic attacks thats grown like wild fire on this forum, which I can't see in anything that transpired last night.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I take it then, that basically everyone except me can bleat their views around then...however when I do it I am trying to force my views on others? I get it now. Cheers.

It is a case of anyone who agrees with you is right and 'allowed' to post their views, anyone who disagrees should just accept that others have an opinion.


I did have respect for you as a poster. Clearly I was wrong.

You were speaking as if Freddie definitely had had a panic attack - people were just pointing out that you could not know that as a fact! Of course, you can have an opinion and believe that he probably had an attack - but you could not state it as a fact!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE

You were speaking as if Freddie definitely had had a panic attack - people were just pointing out that you could not know that as a fact! Of course, you can have an opinion and believe that he probably had an attack - but you could not state it as a fact!

Was I quoting you?

The same people have also stated it as fact that freddie did not have a panic attack. My view is as valid as theirs and they are only saying what they said because they disagree with me. Fact.

[Tom]

Originally posted by VickyJ

What reason do you suggest?

I seriously made this thread because I didnt know why they would cut it...

I don't know but if they genuinely found it that distressing they wouldn't have had George encouraging the audience to laugh at it

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Tom



I don't know but if they genuinely found it that distressing they wouldn't have had George encouraging the audience to laugh at it

Very true.

Its very confusing why they would do this...

[Tom]

Was anything else missed out? I mean there was a lot of swearing so it might have just been easier to cut the whole bits out rather than going mad with the bleep machine

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Very true.

Its very confusing why they would do this...

I suppose you find a lot of things in life to be confusing.
Often you find yourself thinking situations and things said are 'stupid' and 'don't make any sense'.
Much of the time you try and solve these with a sort of questioning line:
"So if __ is __ then why is __ like this or that?"
Many things you read 'make no sense whatsoever'.
About right?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by ElProximo

I suppose you find a lot of things in life to be confusing.
Often you find yourself thinking situations and things said are 'stupid' and 'don't make any sense'.
Much of the time you try and solve these with a sort of questioning line:
"So if __ is __ then why is __ like this or that?"
Many things you read 'make no sense whatsoever'.
About right?

Why do you feel they cut this particular part out then?

And no, I dont often find myself thinking things dont make sense. However since they showed this on BBLB which is before the watershead, i can find no reasoning as to cut if out this morning.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Tom
Was anything else missed out? I mean there was a lot of swearing so it might have just been easier to cut the whole bits out rather than going mad with the bleep machine

No there wasnt swearing that I remember...

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I take it then, that basically everyone except me can bleat their views around then...however when I do it I am trying to force my views on others? I get it now. Cheers.

It is a case of anyone who agrees with you is right and 'allowed' to post their views, anyone who disagrees should just accept that others have an opinion.


I did have respect for you as a poster. Clearly I was wrong.

Vicky i agreed with what setanta said ,there is nothing wrong with that ,i respect your points and are always fair ,but in this case we ALL have different views we ALL deserve to get our points across ,but we should not expect everyone to agree with them