[Jords]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Siavash asked Marcus who he voted for, it was Sophie and David. Sophie told him she was voting Marcus and David,
Siavash said he could not ask Rodrigo, as he wouldnt say, sophie said, Oh he will be voting Marcus and David...

Siavash knew Lisa, Charlie and David would be voting For him
and Marcus, so lets add these up...

Marcus 5

Siavash 3

David 3

Sophie 1

So, in his mind, if he had voted for David it would have put up just Marcus and David, which is what he said, and he would not have been up...he could not vote for himself with his second vote, so he was trying to get 3 up in the mix, which included himself. He was wrong because Rodrigo voted him and Marcus, but he had no reason to think Sophie would of got Rods nominations wrong...they are very close.

A bit complicated I know...but I believe this is what he meant, hopefully you understand it...

Thank you so much for this thread, people wernt getting the whole thing properly, should clear it all up, apart from those who will try to make Siavash look bad whatever the weather.

[free3]

siavash nom logic is to save siavash,sly fu.cker. thinks his cleaver if he wanted to be up every week he would have just said put me up . but noooooooooooo what he wants is every1 up so he can hide in the crowd. see right through the low life freak.

[morris09]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW

Why would he want the rest of the house bitching about him, ganging up on him and making him look bad? Because what they said about his gf DID make him look bad

Dont know why you think he would deliberately want them bad mouthing him?

But ok you keep believing that

Yeah it didn't work so well for Freddie when he was having problems with Bea. He got shown the door

[morris09]

Originally posted by free3
siavash nom logic is to save siavash,sly fu.cker. thinks his cleaver if he wanted to be up every week he would have just said put me up . but noooooooooooo what he wants is every1 up so he can hide in the crowd. see right through the low life freak.

Like Lisa has been doing for the past 8 weeks

[setanta]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW

Why would he want the rest of the house bitching about him, ganging up on him and making him look bad? Because what they said about his gf DID make him look bad

Dont know why you think he would deliberately want them bad mouthing him?

But ok you keep believing that

Of course he did. There's no other explanation for him blurting it out to Rodrigo and his satisfied look in the diary room afterwards kinda cemented everything for me. He knows what he's doing.

[jean51]

i watched last night and i honestley believe that siavash is honest! marcus backstabbed him last night in the garden but didnt say it to his face. i am voting marcus out can not stand the man!

[free3]

dont care about lisa or any of them, freddie was my fav and he went long ago. if it were lisa v siavash i would still say siavash out his a sly f.u.c.k.er.

[NONESHALLPASS]

Originally posted by jean51
i watched last night and i honestley believe that siavash is honest! marcus backstabbed him last night in the garden but didnt say it to his face. i am voting marcus out can not stand the man!

And sophie is a binge drinking thief whats worse ehh

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Siavash asked Marcus who he voted for, it was Sophie and David. Sophie told him she was voting Marcus and David,
Siavash said he could not ask Rodrigo, as he wouldnt say, sophie said, Oh he will be voting Marcus and David...

Siavash knew Lisa, Charlie and David would be voting For him
and Marcus, so lets add these up...

Marcus 5

Siavash 3

David 3

Sophie 1

So, in his mind, if he had voted for David it would have put up just Marcus and David, which is what he said, and he would not have been up...he could not vote for himself with his second vote, so he was trying to get 3 up in the mix, which included himself. He was wrong because Rodrigo voted him and Marcus, but he had no reason to think Sophie would of got Rods nominations wrong...they are very close.

A bit complicated I know...but I believe this is what he meant, hopefully you understand it...

I agree with this. He did want to go up. But he was happy to do that thinking that David would be up as well.

He could have asked everyone to nom him and put him up, but as he said, he doesn't want it to be Marcus vs Siavash. Funny that.

[jet]

Originally posted by morris09

Like Lisa has been doing for the past 8 weeks

HUH? When has Lisa wanted everyone up so she could hide in the crowd?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
If indeed he wants David to go... surely he would have voted david and marcus...seeing as the HMs all think marcus is unbeatable at the minute...

In Siavash's mind, nomming David means David vs Marcus. But he wanted to be up, and was fine with that as long as it was a 3-way.

Because it makes him LOOK GOOD being up, but also he feels secure that David would go.

LOOKING GOOD + David Going = Result

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

In Siavash's mind, nomming David means David vs Marcus. But he wanted to be up, and was fine with that as long as it was a 3-way.

Because it makes him LOOK GOOD being up, but also he feels secure that David would go.

LOOKING GOOD + David Going = Result

How do you expect he knows that david would go?

For all he knows dave could be favourite to win.

[free3]

Originally posted by VickyJ

How do you expect he knows that david would go?

For all he knows dave could be favourite to win.

yep agree sly g.i.t

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by Akerbie

This is a well thought out and organised post. Short and sweet. It's a shame you weren't in the house for 5 minutes to tell them this.

Lisa, David, and Charlie were always gonna vote the same way. The real casting vote belonged to Rodrigo. Why did he vote for Siavash? Especially has he and Sophie have been really close to him. Charlie is a bad influence I believe. I think he is just using folk. He had no need to bring up Siavash's girlfriend during the arguement. It had nothing to do with the topic. He was just trying to throw more dirt in Siavash's face to make himself look better.

I am a big fan of Rodrigo, but I'm afraid to say he has really disappointed me the last two days.

I know Charlie's far from perfect, but Sia mentioned Bea and threw dirt in Charlie's face first.

[minx36]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

In Siavash's mind, nomming David means David vs Marcus. But he wanted to be up, and was fine with that as long as it was a 3-way.

Because it makes him LOOK GOOD being up, but also he feels secure that David would go.

LOOKING GOOD + David Going = Result

Totally agree!
Well said!

Get Siavash out!

[RCW1945]

Several things have struck me since the nomination discussions have been allowed.
1. the supremely confident way almost all of them have been certain that they know how the others have voted;
2. the almost totally honest way they have reported their own votes to the others.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
How do you expect he knows that david would go?

For all he knows dave could be favourite to win.

That's true, but they kinda have a sense of what's going on. I definitely agree with the HMs that there's an element of wanting to 'look good' by putting himself up.

People cannot say that his PURE motivation is to be up; he could ask people to nom him, hence Marcus vs Siavash.

As he said, he didn't want this scenario.

[King Gizzard]

Its a shame team bitch have ganged up on him again. Another scapegoat. What a bunch of vile prats

[free3]

siavash thought 3 way, marcus himself and david. david goes, siavash looks like a good guy, crap, his a sly **** his a player, some of us see it others are fooled. i ee right through the ****

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Nathan
Its a shame team bitch have ganged up on him again. Another scapegoat. What a bunch of vile prats

It was a bit bizarre this time, because he was going up anyway, he was essentially helping their cause out. They were just angry that he did it in a way that made him look better in the public eye.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

That's true, but they kinda have a sense of what's going on. I definitely agree with the HMs that there's an element of wanting to 'look good' by putting himself up.

People cannot say that his PURE motivation is to be up; he could ask people to nom him, hence Marcus vs Siavash.

As he said, he didn't want this scenario.

They have no idea what is going on really...kris getting evicted was a massive shock to them, hira, and also freddie. They would be total fools to believe they know what is going on in the outside world when they have been so wrong in the past.

I dont understand why he didnt just ask people to nominate him, the jury is out on that one...I'll get back to you. But I disagree that the whole thing is anywhere near as bad as some are trying to make out.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by free3
siavash thought 3 way, marcus himself and david. david goes, siavash looks like a good guy, cr*p, his a sly f.u.ck. his a player, some of us see it others are fooled. i ee right through the tw.at .

Yes, he's happy to be the hero and go up, as long as others are in the mix. But he's not happy to ask people to nom him, to ensure a 2-way eviction. He could have asked people to put him up and ensure a 2-way. But no, he's not up for that whatsoever.

Looking Good + 3 way eviction = Result.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

It was a bit bizarre this time, because he was going up anyway, he was essentially helping their cause out. They were just angry that he did it in a way that made him look better in the public eye.

I thought the way charlie and rodrigo especially acted was hilarious. And siavash was right about it being because they want to win so bad.

Lisa however, I was pleasently surprised again...kept out of it except a few little snipes...david was just ridiculous with his whole jumping thing

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I dont understand why he didnt just ask people to nominate him, the jury is out on that one...I'll get back to you. But I disagree that the whole thing is anywhere near as bad as some are trying to make out.

Because he doesn't want a 2-way eviction. He even said this to Charlie, because it would result in Marcus vs Siavash. He doesn't want that. He didn't elaborate on why that wasn't a good result for him though.

He seems very content that, in his mind at least, it'd be a 3-way eviction. But the idea of asking people to nom him, and a 2-way eviction, repulsed him.

Like I said, EVERYTHING is fine and dandy as long as it's 3-way. He obviously feels confident that he'd stay if others are up.

I agree with you it's stupid for HMs to assume jack. But he obviously must assume stuff.

[Tom4784]

He's playing a game, he's put himself up for nomination so he can build up rapport for the final week. It disgusts me to say it but Marcus and Charlie hit the nail on the head. Siavash will do anything to win, he's up there with Charlie for sheer desperation.