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MassiveTruck · 30-09-2009, 12:36 PM

We haven't got as much unemployment as most of the world. One of the best manufacturing systems. Improved Welfare and working conditions. Support for the underpaid...

Are we ruined?

arista · 30-09-2009, 12:54 PM

"Have the New Labour Party ruined England"

Yes.

King Gizzard · 30-09-2009, 12:57 PM

not half as much as people have said they have.

MassiveTruck · 30-09-2009, 01:06 PM

[rquote=2615416&tid=148322&author=Nathan]not half as much as people have said they have.[/rquote]

I don't think they have. God it used to be uber-crap under the Tories and the changes that have been made have been huge.

OK, they have messed up in a few areas, in terms of CCTV and personal privacy and security. I don't like that but since the Tories this has been a vast vast improvement.

It was the idiotic Tories who brought forward plans to scrap tuition fees too. The cheeky gits.

Fom · 30-09-2009, 01:25 PM

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

MassiveTruck · 30-09-2009, 01:27 PM

[rquote=2615457&tid=148322&author=Fom]No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)[/rquote]

I don't think there is any doubt that the Tories will come into power but they could take advantage of the situation and fill the pockets of their Banker friends in the city like they did last time.

Fom · 30-09-2009, 01:28 PM

[rquote=2615464&tid=148322&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615457&tid=148322&author=Fom]No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)[/rquote]

I don't think there is any doubt that the Tories will come into power but they could take advantage of the situation and fill the pockets of their Banker friends in the city like they did last time.[/rquote]

Well we can only wait and see really, but I think they have re gained a lot of trust. Would be stupid to lose it, since it took 10 years to re gain it.

MassiveTruck · 30-09-2009, 01:30 PM

[rquote=2615470&tid=148322&author=Fom][rquote=2615464&tid=148322&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2615457&tid=148322&author=Fom]No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)[/rquote]

I don't think there is any doubt that the Tories will come into power but they could take advantage of the situation and fill the pockets of their Banker friends in the city like they did last time.[/rquote]

Well we can only wait and see really, but I think they have re gained a lot of trust. Would be stupid to lose it, since it took 10 years to re gain it.[/rquote]

I can't agree with some of their policies though. Some of the stuff they've come out with recently has felt like a slap in the face.

If things don't improve, I think they will be in and out very quickly. But I think time is on their side. Economy will get better regardless of who is in power and the winner of the next election will reap the benefits.

arista · 30-09-2009, 01:32 PM

[rquote=2615457&tid=148322&author=Fom]No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)[/rquote]

Very True Fom
Well Said

BB_Eye · 30-09-2009, 03:22 PM

What is this Labour Party you speak of?

Oh yeah, the party that has been out of office in all but name since 1979.

Don't believe the impostors.

Tom4784 · 30-09-2009, 03:48 PM

No party will do a good job, because they're all the same really. Labour's the best of an awful bunch.

karezza · 01-10-2009, 11:30 AM

The Labour Party has ruined England. The Labour Party should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

NettoSuperstar! · 01-10-2009, 11:36 AM

The Labour Party spent most of their time clearing up Tory mess! Without Labour there would be no minimum wage, NHS waiting lists would be worse, No devolution, schools would be worse, the most vunerable in society would be worse off, the recession would have been a lot worse and gone on a lot longer....basically we'd be worse off under the Tories!

NettoSuperstar! · 01-10-2009, 11:40 AM

[rquote=2615457&tid=148322&author=Fom]No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)[/rquote]

Yeh they would mess up...the Tories disagreed with taking any action over the recession...ie/ bailing out banks, fiscal stimulus policies etc...they had no policies! We would be in a **** mess, theyre plans for schools are shoddy, they want to give tax relief to the rich (inheritance tax) and cut tax relief for middle income families....Fair?...No

karezza · 01-10-2009, 11:30 AM

The Labour Party has ruined England. The Labour Party should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

NettoSuperstar! · 01-10-2009, 11:36 AM

The Labour Party spent most of their time clearing up Tory mess! Without Labour there would be no minimum wage, NHS waiting lists would be worse, No devolution, schools would be worse, the most vunerable in society would be worse off, the recession would have been a lot worse and gone on a lot longer....basically we'd be worse off under the Tories!

NettoSuperstar! · 01-10-2009, 11:40 AM

[rquote=2615457&tid=148322&author=Fom]No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)[/rquote]

Yeh they would mess up...the Tories disagreed with taking any action over the recession...ie/ bailing out banks, fiscal stimulus policies etc...they had no policies! We would be in a **** mess, theyre plans for schools are shoddy, they want to give tax relief to the rich (inheritance tax) and cut tax relief for middle income families....Fair?...No

NettoSuperstar! · 09-10-2009, 10:41 AM

Oh great so anything you wrote in the old forum is not in the new one! Why have we got two forums?

arista · 09-10-2009, 10:52 PM

Conservatives 44%
Stinking New Labour 27%

From Saturdays papers
just shown on SkyNews.

Brown is Doomed
Fact

http://www.yougov.co.uk/today/

"The latest Sky News/YouGov survey of voting intentions, carried out after the Conservative leader's speech to his party in Manchester, saw a 4% jump in Tory support to 44%.
At the same time, support for Labour fell by the same amount, to 27%.
And the Lib Dems' support dropped by 1% to 17%.
Cameron made an at times emotional speech to wrap up the annual party conference season."

andyman · 10-10-2009, 03:36 AM

Silly Arista, so brainwashed by the spin..

And what is this change? What will the Conservatives do to lower national debt?

I ask because you're pro-Conservatives and i just want to know why that is so?..

arista · 10-10-2009, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyman

Silly Arista, so brainwashed by the spin..

And what is this change? What will the Conservatives do to lower national debt?

I ask because you're pro-Conservatives and i just want to know why that is so?..

Andyman the Whole Nation
is backing this Change.
Of Course a few do not.

But in General
Cameron is Good News
One Eyed Scottish Brown is Bad News

Sign Of The Times

arista · 10-10-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyman

Silly Arista, so brainwashed by the spin..

You are Silly backing a Dead Horse Brown.

andyman · 10-10-2009, 02:07 PM

Arista that tells me nothing..

What would the Conservatives do to lower the nations debt if they got into power?

arista · 10-10-2009, 02:21 PM

It will take some years
to clear up Stinking Browns Mess.

You will find out.

andyman · 10-10-2009, 02:34 PM

...? Arista you don't even know.. Oh dear :-/

You're sleep walking with your vote into the valley of the unknown..

Some voters just vote over silly reasons or swept by the spin..

Plus the Conservatives are not sure over Trident.. A party that don't know, fantastic!

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