[lily.]

LT : You didn't respond to my post.

[lily.]

You can plan for a child.

You can actively decide that you want to be a parent. That's what I did.

Prior to making that decision, I was using the contraceptive pill. That's what responsible women do.

Unfortunately there are irresponsible women who don't. But, it's not for us to say they should go through with the pregnancy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

You can plan for a child.

You can actively decide that you want to be a parent. That's what I did.

But are you saying that these 195K women have decided not to be a parent or is it that they just dont fancy the responsibility and an abortion is the easy option?

That they see it just as a means of contraception, something which incidentally it was NEVER intended to be when introduced

[lily.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But are you saying that these 195K women have decided not to be a parent or is it that they just dont fancy the responsibility and an abortion is the easy option?

That they see it just as a means of contraception, something which incidentally it was NEVER intended to be when introduced

I agree that it shouldn't be used as contraception, but there is no way to police that.

How could you possibly decide if someone was using it as contraception, or if they had genuinely found themselves in a tight spot? Who would be in charge of such a decision, and how would it be right to deny them an abortion thus forcing them to go through with a pregnancy they clearly don't want?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

I agree that it shouldn't be used as contraception, but there is no way to police that.

How could you possibly decide if someone was using it as contraception, or if they had genuinely found themselves in a tight spot? Who would be in charge of such a decision, and how would it be right to deny them an abortion thus forcing them to go through with a pregnancy they clearly don't want?

The trick is to stop people having sex, stop images of sex pervading music and advertising to the young, reduce the messages that sex is this great thing we should all be doing as soon as we hit secondary school and make people realise that there are huge consequences.

I want to see the stats of all the Mums who bitterly regret having children and put that against all the pregnant women who say that a child would ruin their lives if they did not have an abortion.

I would also like to see geographic maps of abortions, and social class stats to see if there are trends as i suspect there are.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The trick is to stop people having sex, stop images of sex pervading music and advertising to the young, reduce the messages that sex is this great thing we should all be doing as soon as we hit secondary school and make people realise that there are huge consequences.

I want to see the stats of all the Mums who bitterly regret having children and put that against all the pregnant women who say that a child would ruin their lives if they did not have an abortion.

I would also like to see geographic maps of abortions, and social class stats to see if there are trends as i suspect there are.

Short of padlock pants, trying to stop people having sex just won't work. Linda's right on the money, educating people is the only sensible option. It might not work all the time but it's a better idea then telling people not to do it.

[Photon]

No, I called you a tool. I don't know what you smell like, tool.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Photon

No, I called you a tool. I don't know what you smell like, tool.

oh dear

[Jack_]

Classic.

[lily.]

The problem is in society. There are too many parents who don't care enough to teach their kids about sex/contraception.

It's not enough to just tell them to say no. You have to teach them about responsibility and self-respect, and give them the tools they need to make the right decision.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

The problem is in society. There are too many parents who don't care enough to teach their kids about sex/contraception.

It's not enough to just tell them to say no. You have to teach them about responsibility and self-respect, and give them the tools they need to make the right decision.

Its the tools they are using that is half the flippin problem

[lily.]

Did you happen to see the car-crash telly that was 'the scheme'?

That's an example of something which is happening everywhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

Did you happen to see the car-crash telly that was 'the scheme'?

That's an example of something which is happening everywhere.

I did

I could only feel sorry for Bullseye the dug tho

[lily.]

Bullet.

Poor bugger was the only one with any self-respect in the whole program.

[keithafc]

First time, i don't like it but its your right i suppose to have one. 2nd time, Nah, **** that. I think you should be forced to have the child, you can't be getting ****ed and not know what a condom or the pill is.

Once is bad enough, twice is a ****ing joke. There is no excuse in this day and age. Everyone KNOWS what a CONDOM is and what the PILL is. Sort it out people.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by keithafc

First time, i don't like it but its your right i suppose to have one. 2nd time, Nah, **** that. I think you should be forced to have the child, you can't be getting ****ed and not know what a condom or the pill is.

Once is bad enough, twice is a ****ing joke. There is no excuse in this day and age. Everyone KNOWS what a CONDOM is and what the PILL is. Sort it out people.

Why? Even though I don't agree with it being used as contraception it's their choice and ultimately their problem, How the hell does it affect you if they choose to abort? Would you take this view if your tax money was paying for the children born from this? There are a lot of people not fit to be a parent out there forcing them into having kids would be disastorous.

[Sunny_01]

I would hate to see us backwards with regards to abortion laws. It is as I said previously all about choice, even if people do have multiple abortions (which I dont really think is right) it is still their choice to do so. If they were forced to have these babies they would indeed be the unwanted children of our society.

I can say with all honesty that simply being a woman does not qualify you as being able to be a 'mother' yes lots of women hang on to their children but it doesnt mean they want them! I think to say that a woman instantly wants her child once it is born is very niaive! once the child is in their arms! there are still a lot of women out there who choose not to terminate but choose not to mother and place their children with adoptive parents by choice!

When it comes to a woman's body it is her choice what she does with it, her choice whether to continue with a pregnancy or not and I dont believe women should be denied that right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Not to mention him not giving any thought to the welfare of the children forced to be born! Potentially a lifetime of misery, unloved and unwanted - compared to nothing - no conscious awareness of existing or suffering! People get on their high-horses about abortion - with absolutely no understanding of the potential consequenses to all the unwanted children!

which children do you refer to?

where are the unwanted millions of children. I dont recall ever seeing a mother who did not want their child that has been born, perhaps a few alcoholics or druggies but that would be like 0.001%?

can you identify to me the unwanted children here in the UK today?

your post is based on a myth that hides the truth, it is just contraception.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which children do you refer to?

where are the unwanted millions of children. I dont recall ever seeing a mother who did not want their child that has been born, perhaps a few alcoholics or druggies but that would be like 0.001%?

can you identify to me the unwanted children here in the UK today?

your post is based on a myth that hides the truth, it is just contraception.

Bit of a silly statement, There's plenty of kids in care if that statement was true then where would they have come from? Some people aren't cut out to be parents but whether they have an abortion or have the child and place them up for adoption well that's their choice at the end of the day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a silly statement, There's plenty of kids in care if that statement was true then where would they have come from? Some people aren't cut out to be parents but whether they have an abortion or have the child and place them up for adoption well that's their choice at the end of the day.

give me the numbers then to refute it

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

give me the numbers then to refute it

Where's the numbers to prove your '0.001%' claim first? It's common sense that there are kids put up for adoption considering the number of Children's homes and the budget that goes into sustaining this part of social care. To say that hardly any kids are put up for adoption is incredibly silly to put it nicely.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

give me the numbers then to refute it

60900 children in care for fostering and adoption march 2009.

http://www.baaf.org.uk/info/stats/index.shtml

But then again you wont believe the figures will you, because they arent for the christian org?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

60900 children in care for fostering and adoption march 2009.

http://www.baaf.org.uk/info/stats/index.shtml

But then again you wont believe the figures will you, because they arent for the christian org?

is that because their mothers dont want them?

pray tell?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Tens of thousands of British women are having multiple abortions, according to shocking new abortion statistics released by the NHS.

The figures, which also reveal that alarming numbers of teenagers are having terminations, are likely to reignite concern that abortion is being treated as a form of contraception.

During 2009 a staggering 195,743 abortions (the murder of an unborn baby) were performed in England and Wales, with a further 13,005 terminations being performed in Scotland.

The official stats reveal that of the abortions carried out on women resident in England and Wales, 63,309 – 34 per cent of the total – were for women who had previously had at least one abortion.

And of the abortions carried out in Scotland, this figure stood at 3,658, accounting for 28 per cent of the total.

Norman Wells, Director of the Family Education Trust, said Britain’s high abortion rates are an “inevitable consequence of a society that has made an idol out of sexual pleasure.”

Norman Wells commented: “It is not ignorance of contraception that leads to alarming rates of teenage abortions.

“The contraceptive culture has made girls feel they have a right to have babies to order and to do away with any that would interfere with their chosen lifestyle.”

Last year’s abortion totals show an overall decline from 2008 when there were 202,158 abortions in England and Wales, and a further 13,817 in Scotland.

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/tho...eat-abortions/

Another post from the christian fundamentalist site that likes to use scare tactics to keep its followers subscribing.

Isnt the Family Education Trust, actually a think tank funded by various Christian Organisations and as such it isnt as independent as it claims in that it always follows the Christian Line?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Do you really want to see women who don't want children going through with their pregnancy, and possibly abandoning/neglecting that child? Or trying the DIY method with a bottle of spirits and a knitting needle?"

Sorry, I dont know where you are getting this view from?

I would suggest you read some articles about Abortions particularly "backstreet" ones prior to the Abortion Act.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would like to see a report detailing why each abortion was requested, that would illustrate a lot

Who are you to demand this, what has it got to do with you anyway. There are rules and regulations governing abortions, go learn.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and your evidence that a child would ruin your life is what?


(you wont get many Mums baking you up btw)

I know lots of parents who when asked if they had to live their life over again what changes would they make and the answer is normally although they wouldnt do without them now, they wouldnt have had kids so early in life.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would imagine a very small percentage would be deemed by social work to be unfit parents, maybe 1%?

Care to provide a reference to back that assumption up?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who is mentioning religion apart from you though?

maybe you are thinking of being born again - ironically for this thread

You did when you posted a reference from a site called www.christian.org.uk

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the report could be got from many websites. the host is not part of the story.

Could you provide a reference to prove that assertion?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he does not listen to a woman who is still in her nightgown at 15:52

Is that any of your business?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The trick is to stop people having sex, stop images of sex pervading music and advertising to the young, reduce the messages that sex is this great thing we should all be doing as soon as we hit secondary school and make people realise that there are huge consequences.

I want to see the stats of all the Mums who bitterly regret having children and put that against all the pregnant women who say that a child would ruin their lives if they did not have an abortion.

I would also like to see geographic maps of abortions, and social class stats to see if there are trends as i suspect there are.

Basically revert to a christian fundamental viewpoint, would you like the theory of evolution not to be taught in school as well?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which children do you refer to?

where are the unwanted millions of children. I dont recall ever seeing a mother who did not want their child that has been born, perhaps a few alcoholics or druggies but that would be like 0.001%?

can you identify to me the unwanted children here in the UK today?

your post is based on a myth that hides the truth, it is just contraception.

Obviously you are not a parent then, everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.

Many women are torn between having an abortion and having a child, if they decide to have the child there grows a bond between the mother and child, as the child develops inside the woman, after the birth there is further bonding, that doesnt mean to say at the start of the pregnancy the mother loved the idea of being pregnant.

Of course there are children who were unwanted at the time of conception.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Another post from the christian fundamentalist site that likes to use scare tactics to keep its followers subscribing.

Isnt the Family Education Trust, actually a think tank funded by various Christian Organisations and as such it isnt as independent as it claims in that it always follows the Christian Line?



I would suggest you read some articles about Abortions particularly "backstreet" ones prior to the Abortion Act.



Who are you to demand this, what has it got to do with you anyway. There are rules and regulations governing abortions, go learn.



I know lots of parents who when asked if they had to live their life over again what changes would they make and the answer is normally although they wouldnt do without them now, they wouldnt have had kids so early in life.



Care to provide a reference to back that assumption up?



You did when you posted a reference from a site called www.christian.org.uk



Could you provide a reference to prove that assertion?



Is that any of your business?



Basically revert to a christian fundamental viewpoint, would you like the theory of evolution not to be taught in school as well?



Obviously you are not a parent then, everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.

Many women are torn between having an abortion and having a child, if they decide to have the child there grows a bond between the mother and child, as the child develops inside the woman, after the birth there is further bonding, that doesnt mean to say at the start of the pregnancy the mother loved the idea of being pregnant.

Of course there are children who were unwanted at the time of conception.

everyday lots of parents say I wish I never had kids. Especially when said kids are playing up.


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