[Tom4784]

For the safety of it's practitioners I'd probably build it a little farther away but at least it's not actually on Ground Zero. You can't punish a whole religion for the actions of a few.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...he-911-mosque/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4


What is this madness :/ Surely can't go ahead.

But by putting that there
will it not stop anymore Saudi Killers attacking that area?

[InOne]

It's still actually pretty close to be fair. And yes it was the actions of a few, but it is still the same religion. God knows why they even let any sort of idea to continue.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

But by putting that there
will it not stop anymore Saudi Killers attacking that area?

No, I highly doubt that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

No, I highly doubt that.

While Barrack is in Power
America should be more safe.

He is now getting out of Iraq , from next year.

[lily.]

In my view this was planned to provoke a reaction.

If it were truly a peaceful proposition, they wouldn't even consider it being within a 10 mile radius of the WTC.

I'm not sure who came up with the idea of building a mosque in that locatoin, but it's clear to me that controversy was the main agenda.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

Still being talked about, not looking good :/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/03...d-zero-mosque/

I watch Fox News (Ch509 on Sky)
from Time to time
just to Laugh at how Extreme they are.


CBSNews in HD
is better 12:30PM on SkyNewsHD.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's still actually pretty close to be fair. And yes it was the actions of a few, but it is still the same religion. God knows why they even let any sort of idea to continue.

That doesn't make sense. So you're saying that if a religious individual commits a crime then the whole religion hes involved with should be struck with the same brush? What about Catholicism? Would you say all practising Catholics are peadophiles or should feel the guilt of another's actions just because they share a religion? Of course not it's ridiculous.

Punish the individuals and not the many innocent members of a particular faith just because you don't like it.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That doesn't make sense. So you're saying that if a religious individual commits a crime then the whole religion hes involved with should be struck with the same brush? What about Catholicism? Would you say all practising Catholics are peadophiles or should feel the guilt of another's actions just because they share a religion? Of course not it's ridiculous.

Punish the individuals and not the many innocent members of a particular faith just because you don't like it.

The religion itself is not great. Catholic Priests are Paedophiles because they're paedophiles, yes they abuse power but they don't really do it in the name of god.

All I'm saying is that Islam is a bad religion anyway, not commenting on the people.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

The religion itself is not great. Catholic Priests are Paedophiles because they're paedophiles, yes they abuse power but they don't really do it in the name of god.

All I'm saying is that Islam is a bad religion anyway, not commenting on the people.

Yes there are Bad parts of Islam.

But this plot NYC will not be a problem from Islamics.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

The religion itself is not great. Catholic Priests are Paedophiles because they're paedophiles, yes they abuse power but they don't really do it in the name of god.

All I'm saying is that Islam is a bad religion anyway, not commenting on the people.

All religion is bad at a fundemental level but like with every other religion you'll have your extremists and more common moderate followers and Islam's no different. Most christians probablly only take away parts of the bible and live by them, very few practice the entirety of it and it's the same with Islam and any other religion except moderate muslims aren't highlighted as much for one particular reason...

The only reason you have the image of Islam being pretty much an extremist religion is because that's how the media wants you to see it. They sell more papers when there's a big bad threat for people to worry about and for the moment they've made Islam their target. Give it a few years and another religion will be seen as the new evil religion that's hellbent on converting the world.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes there are Bad parts of Islam.

But this plot NYC will not be a problem from Islamics.

Any plot isn't a problem for Islamists lol

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

All religion is bad at a fundemental level but like with every other religion you'll have your extremists and more common moderate followers and Islam's no different. Most christians probablly only take away parts of the bible and live by them, very few practice the entirety of it and it's the same with Islam and any other religion except moderate muslims aren't highlighted as much for one particular reason...

The only reason you have the image of Islam being pretty much an extremist religion is because that's how the media wants you to see it. They sell more papers when there's a big bad threat for people to worry about and for the moment they've made Islam their target. Give it a few years and another religion will be seen as the new evil religion that's hellbent on converting the world.

You always use this argument. We're not talking about any other religions.

Read this book and come back to me. You yourself are probably not even that informed on Islam.

[LaLaLand]

I think that's terrible how it's even being positively considered. Fine, build as many Mosque's in NYC as you like but of ALL places, not on Ground Zero! The family and friends of the victims must feel so disrespected.

It's just innappropriate in the extreme imo.

[billy123]

This bloke is under no illusion here his name is david wood a new york citizen who has many muslim friends in new york all people that would get that label 'moderate muslims' yet he was disturbed at the rate his muslim friends started to distribute pictures amongst themselves depicting the complete islamification of new york so soon after 9/11.
Pictures such as a new york skyline dominated by mosques and the statue of liberty wearing a full vale.

Youtube video

Muslims are only allowed to be friendly to non-muslims in areas where they are outnumbered the quran says if they need to they can smile at you outwardly but curse you in their hearts.
Two faced and dangerous.

They even wanted to call the mosque cordoba house which is a direct reference to a spanish city that muslims invaded in the 8th century and demolished their churchs and replaced them with mosques.

[InOne]

That is a very good video bobnot. Good to see an Americans point of view.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

You always use this argument. We're not talking about any other religions.

Read this book and come back to me. You yourself are probably not even that informed on Islam.

I get a vary balanced and not biased at all vibe from that book Also I'm using other religions to make comparisions in order to highlight points, try to argue against those points instead of copping out.

At the end of the day, not all muslims follow every word of the Qu'ran, like with the bible, people will take some of it but not all of it. The points you've made against Islam apply to all religions so it's a bit contradictory to single out Islam when all faiths are guilty of such crimes.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I get a vary balanced and not biased at all vibe from that book Also I'm using other religions to make comparisions in order to highlight points, try to argue against those points instead of copping out.

At the end of the day, not all muslims follow every word of the Qu'ran, like with the bible, people will take some of it but not all of it. The points you've made against Islam apply to all religions so it's a bit contradictory to single out Islam when all faiths are guilty of such crimes.

Well it was written by a Muslim and it is well known to be very balanced. It tells the facts which people seem to dodge. And the difference between Islam and other religions is Sharia, the way it's within the religion.

[setanta]

If it is constructed - and I'm still shaking my head as to why the whole enterprise is being condoned at all - I can honestly see some nutter or just an enraged American citizen blowing the thing up. Well, it wouldn't surprise me anyway.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by setanta

If it is constructed - and I'm still shaking my head as to why the whole enterprise is being condoned at all - I can honestly see some nutter or just an enraged American citizen blowing the thing up. Well, it wouldn't surprise me anyway.

It wont go ahead it was doomed the second the saudi backers suggested they wanted it named after a historic muslim takeover of another country.
If it was to go ahead it would be destroyed within a year of its opening that is for sure at least i hope so otherwise we are all screwed.

[InOne]

It's going ahead :/

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...rk_City_Ruling

[Tom4784]

I can't see it being open for long, It's gonna come under constant attack. Let's just hope no one gets hurt because of this although I think it's inevitable.

[InOne]

Yep, I mean, how do they expect people to react? Why would people be happy about this?

[rick-roll]

Some people keep saying it's being built on ground zero. It's not. It's being built NEAR ground zero, 2 or 3 blocks away. It won't even be visible from ground zero. It's a privately owned property and they have the rights to build so any action to stop construction will basically just be like pissing on the constitution.

Why is it so inappropriate anyway? The attack on 9/11 was by extremists. What did they have in common? They were male, they were muslim and most were Saudi. Maybe if a bunch of male Saudi extremist muslims decided to build ON ground zero, it would be cause for concern but it's a muslim community center (with a mosque inside) being built by American muslims who have nothing to do with the attacks.


Anyone whining over this is a bigot and a moron.

[Wildcat!]

I am muslim, and this is my take on it!
the bottom line is, there is no need for that!!!
Even if only ONE person who was affected by 911, objects to it being build in the vicinity, I think it shouldnt be built there.
ALlah doesnt care where you pray, as long as its clean. And if buiding a mosque at a certain location would cause some people pain, it should not be done. This is why a lot of religious leaders, fail iIslam. They fail to remember that above all, its a religion of peace,. And in this case, peace would mean, to go bulid the mosque somewhere else, without causing any controversy!
I know they have the right to build it in the area, and its actuall anti constitutional, if they are denied the opportunity. But constitution, shouldnt come into play here. Common sense, and keeping the peace should!