[Angus]

Don't people recognise metaphor when they see it? - being drunk on the holy spirit is Dave's way of saying he is filled with the love of God (there are many references to being filled with the holy spirit in the bible and some denominations actively practice rituals designed to put its followers in a state of euphoria very similar to intoxication). If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

Personally, I nod off every time Nathan, Ife, Josie, Scabby, Sidekick or JJ open their mouths, so perhaps they should be more tolerant as they are deadly bores themselves.

[janaddy86]

Originally Posted by stoney

I think his family might know him slightly better than us faceless names on the interwebby thingy and as such they will be proud as punch of him

They would also be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as opposed to automatically get on his back for simply having a belief in anything as some have

You could well be right.

[janaddy86]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Hardly the only one!

I wasn't suggesting you were.

[discotheque]

Originally Posted by angus58

Don't people recognise metaphor when they see it? - being drunk on the holy spirit is Dave's way of saying he is filled with the love of God (there are many references to being filled with the holy spirit in the bible and some denominations actively practice rituals designed to put its followers in a state of euphoria very similar to intoxication). If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

Personally, I nod off every time Nathan, Ife, Josie, Scabby, Sidekick or JJ open their mouths, so perhaps they should be more tolerant as they are deadly bores themselves.

He visibly pretends to be 'drunk'

If he's not promoting the physiologically intoxicating effects of his religion then he should not use the term 'drunk'

He might as well say:

'Off me ******in tits on our lord'

[Kaaarenn!]

I'm finding it a bit weird now. It's like he's takin the p**s or something :S

[fingers]

Originally Posted by discotheque

He visibly pretends to be 'drunk'

If he's not promoting the physiologically intoxicating effects of his religion then he should not use the term 'drunk'

He might as well say:

'Off me ******in tits on our lord'

He ACTS drunk, he slurs his words like a drunk does, he PRETENDS to be drunk!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

That's a view - but why did the 'celebs' allow themselves themselves to be bored to death by Steven in CBB? I tend to think it's a human reaction that you don't want to say to someome's face that they're talking sh1te.

I hope BB put a Mulsin and a Jewish person in next to see if they object. See him trying to indoctrinate the Jewish person that Jesus DID really come down to save us all.

Dave saying he'd put 'hands on' to Steve's stumps to get his Lord to grow him new legs was really out of order.

[janaddy86]

Originally Posted by stoney

janaddy86 Quote:
"Originally Posted by WOMBAI
"He has done nothing for them to be ashamed of - unlike many of the other hms - whose relatives may well be cringing!"

You obviously have a different perspective to some of us here."

What has he doen to make his family , that actually know him, ashamed of him in your opinion

Well I am in agreement with the thread starter about how he is perceived as acting drunk after reading the bible and how it looks fake.

That is why I was wondering if his family/friends etc might cringe at it.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=discotheque;3424333]He visibly pretends to be 'drunk'

If he's not promoting the physiologically intoxicating effects of his religion then he should not use the term 'drunk'

He might as well say:

'Off me ******in tits on our lord'[/QUOTE

He can use whatever term he wants to describe how he feels - he's certainly far more articulate than some of the FMs on here. One can be "drunk" on fame, or success, or love or power, so why shouldn't Dave be "drunk" on the love of God, if the feeling of loving God makes him feel euphoric. He certainly doesn't have to justify himself to ANYONE least of all to plebs who wouldn't recognise a genuine emotion if it hit them in the face.

[paper-cut-exit]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Dave saying he'd put 'hands on' to Steve's stumps to get his Lord to grow him new legs was really out of order.

If that's what he said then he deserves to be evicted for that alone.

[janaddy86]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Dave saying he'd put 'hands on' to Steve's stumps to get his Lord to grow him new legs was really out of order.

I thought that was quite awkward for Steve when he was talking about that.

[Sabrewulf238]

Dave is a strange one.....sometimes I feel like laughing when it talks about being drunk on the holy spirit.....but other times I'm just like "what the? -_-"

[yousoboo!]

http://www.offgridworship.com/2009/0...oly-ghost.html

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by paper-cut-exit

If that's what he said then he deserves to be evicted for that alone.

It was tactless, not malicious - Steve would of understood that I'm sure - no need for him to be evicted - over-reaction or what!

[Shiner]

I'm not a big Dave fan or owt but in the spirit of fairness I said this in a different thread and I think it explains it.

It's a fairly well documented phenomenon. It's a sort of hypnotic state entered into by meditation, only they are convinced of it spiritual origins. It can take many different forms. Just think about some of the gospel stuff you might have seen on the telly where they get right in to the music and start swooning and convulsing or the guys in Thailand that can put hooks into their body or knives through there faces. It's the same kind of thing except Dave feels euphoric. It's a big shame that some more stupid people take him literally when he says he gets "drunk" on the lord.

[moghirl]

Originally Posted by discotheque

Just a ploy to get impressionable people to join his throng.

Tell people you can 'get drunk' on that crap, surround em with others already apparently 'converted' and use peer pressure/conformity principles to hoodwink them into thinking they too are 'intoxicated'. Hey we're all acting like idiots, why aren't you ? Standard cult induction nonsense.

That's it in a nutshell, discotheque, .. classic techniques used by these types of cults to lure unsuspecting newcomers into the 'fold' .. drunk on the holy spirit .. aye right ye are .. pull the other one .. it's got bells ..

[discotheque]

Angus,

I defend his right to have any kind of religious experience, and indeed, to tell people about that experience.

I take issue with the term 'drunk' in this case though because I believe our holy man 'PRETENDS' to be 'drunk' which is extremely alarming to me. You think he is legit, OK.

[paper-cut-exit]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It was tactless, not malicious - Steve would of understood that I'm sure - no need for him to be evicted - over-reaction or what!

I didn't say it was malicious. Just shows how much crap the guy talks and what a fake he is tho.

It's a good enough reason to evict him imo!

But i knew you'd jump to his defence again and disagree

[JustSkipIt]

Originally Posted by angus58

....One can be "drunk" on fame, or success, or love or power, so why shouldn't Dave be "drunk" on the love of God, if the feeling of loving God makes him feel euphoric. He certainly doesn't have to justify himself to ANYONE least of all to plebs who wouldn't recognise a genuine emotion if it hit them in the face.

Thank you Angus - I couldn't agree more

Maybe the word of God leaves him feeling euphoric - or perhaps he has a psychosomatic reaction which leaves him feeling genuinely intoxicated. Who knows? And why does it matter all that much? Dave's a legend.
This constant attack on his faith is getting a bit old now – and if it's the only thing you can fault him for he's not doing too badly.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It was tactless, not malicious - Steve would of understood that I'm sure - no need for him to be evicted - over-reaction or what!

We disagree for once - having outrageous religious beliefs is one thing - telling a bloke he can 'fix' him thru his healing hands is another.

I dislike people as Dave and Steven Baldwin. Fair play if an epithany has solved their alcohol/drug addictions, but preaching on others not interested is wrong.

[Lee.]

To be honest, acting drunk or not acting, anybody who preaches their religion to others offends me. I personally don't like religion and am not religious myself, but I do however accept that many people feel the need for religion in their life. WHen people start harping on about it to others however, I feel quite uncomfortable and almost offended...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Claymores

We disagree for once - having outrageous religious beliefs is one thing - telling a bloke he can 'fix' him thru his healing hands is another.

I dislike people as Dave and Steven Baldwin. Fair play if an epithany has solved their alcohol/drug addictions, but preaching on others not interested is wrong.

Don't get me wrong - I don't condone what he said - but he clearly mean't no ill will - but it was very tactless - I think he will realise that and feel bad about it! Personally, I haven't witnessed him preaching - so can't comment on that!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by angus58

He can use whatever term he wants to describe how he feels - he's certainly far more articulate than some of the FMs on here. One can be "drunk" on fame, or success, or love or power, so why shouldn't Dave be "drunk" on the love of God, if the feeling of loving God makes him feel euphoric. He certainly doesn't have to justify himself to ANYONE least of all to plebs who wouldn't recognise a genuine emotion if it hit them in the face.

No, David and his group explicitly make clear that they get drunk on Jesus Juice. Not relaxed spiritual state, not meditative, not anything which bears comparison to anything other than alcohol and a definate booze intoxication. They claim to get drunk. Pissed. Bottled. Sloshed. And they act it all out, too.

Personally although it's riddiculous I do think he believes it himself. After all it is possible to frenzy yourself into a manic state through ritual without the aid of psychotropic substances as has been documented by various cultures and rituals throughout history. Of course it's all in ones head, then the person attributes it to their own personal Jesus [hey hey hey], simply substitute Jesus for X.

Of course those of us ... what's the term? Oh yeah, rationalists - know it's impossible. It's hillarious that people see it as being somehting that is open to debate. It's not a case of respecting someones beliefs or opening yourself up to possibilities. You just can't get drunk from reading The Bible. Sorry.

[BB_Eye]

It was the best substitute for actually giving the housemates alchohol and letting them have fun that BB could think of.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

No, David and his group explicitly make clear that they get drunk on Jesus Juice. Not relaxed spiritual state, not meditative, not anything which bears comparison to anything other than alcohol and a definate booze intoxication. They claim to get drunk. Pissed. Bottled. Sloshed. And they act it all out, too.

Personally although it's riddiculous I do think he believes it himself. After all it is possible to frenzy yourself into a manic state through ritual without the aid of psychotropic substances as has been documented by various cultures and rituals throughout history. Of course it's all in ones head, then the person attributes it to their own personal Jesus [hey hey hey], simply substitute Jesus for X.

Of course those of us ... what's the term? Oh yeah, rationalists - know it's impossible. It's hillarious that people see it as being somehting that is open to debate. It's not a case of respecting someones beliefs or opening yourself up to possibilities. You just can't get drunk from reading The Bible. Sorry.

I'm not wasting my time debating with someone whose mind is so closed that they can't see any point of view but their own. I feel sorry for you, but can't be arsed explaining my point any further. For the record I do not follow any form of organised religion but I sure as hell respect the beliefs of others. You can no more DISPROVE religion than you can PROVE it, so why not just admit that and move on? Instead you assert your opinion as if it were a proven fact - talk about arrogant.