[discotheque]

Originally Posted by angus58

Don't people recognise metaphor when they see it? - being drunk on the holy spirit is Dave's way of saying he is filled with the love of God (there are many references to being filled with the holy spirit in the bible and some denominations actively practice rituals designed to put its followers in a state of euphoria very similar to intoxication). If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

Personally, I nod off every time Nathan, Ife, Josie, Scabby, Sidekick or JJ open their mouths, so perhaps they should be more tolerant as they are deadly bores themselves.

He visibly pretends to be 'drunk'

If he's not promoting the physiologically intoxicating effects of his religion then he should not use the term 'drunk'

He might as well say:

'Off me ******in tits on our lord'

[fingers]

Originally Posted by discotheque

He visibly pretends to be 'drunk'

If he's not promoting the physiologically intoxicating effects of his religion then he should not use the term 'drunk'

He might as well say:

'Off me ******in tits on our lord'

He ACTS drunk, he slurs his words like a drunk does, he PRETENDS to be drunk!

[Angus]

[QUOTE=discotheque;3424333]He visibly pretends to be 'drunk'

If he's not promoting the physiologically intoxicating effects of his religion then he should not use the term 'drunk'

He might as well say:

'Off me ******in tits on our lord'[/QUOTE

He can use whatever term he wants to describe how he feels - he's certainly far more articulate than some of the FMs on here. One can be "drunk" on fame, or success, or love or power, so why shouldn't Dave be "drunk" on the love of God, if the feeling of loving God makes him feel euphoric. He certainly doesn't have to justify himself to ANYONE least of all to plebs who wouldn't recognise a genuine emotion if it hit them in the face.

[discotheque]

Angus,

I defend his right to have any kind of religious experience, and indeed, to tell people about that experience.

I take issue with the term 'drunk' in this case though because I believe our holy man 'PRETENDS' to be 'drunk' which is extremely alarming to me. You think he is legit, OK.

[JustSkipIt]

Originally Posted by angus58

....One can be "drunk" on fame, or success, or love or power, so why shouldn't Dave be "drunk" on the love of God, if the feeling of loving God makes him feel euphoric. He certainly doesn't have to justify himself to ANYONE least of all to plebs who wouldn't recognise a genuine emotion if it hit them in the face.

Thank you Angus - I couldn't agree more

Maybe the word of God leaves him feeling euphoric - or perhaps he has a psychosomatic reaction which leaves him feeling genuinely intoxicated. Who knows? And why does it matter all that much? Dave's a legend.
This constant attack on his faith is getting a bit old now – and if it's the only thing you can fault him for he's not doing too badly.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by angus58

He can use whatever term he wants to describe how he feels - he's certainly far more articulate than some of the FMs on here. One can be "drunk" on fame, or success, or love or power, so why shouldn't Dave be "drunk" on the love of God, if the feeling of loving God makes him feel euphoric. He certainly doesn't have to justify himself to ANYONE least of all to plebs who wouldn't recognise a genuine emotion if it hit them in the face.

No, David and his group explicitly make clear that they get drunk on Jesus Juice. Not relaxed spiritual state, not meditative, not anything which bears comparison to anything other than alcohol and a definate booze intoxication. They claim to get drunk. Pissed. Bottled. Sloshed. And they act it all out, too.

Personally although it's riddiculous I do think he believes it himself. After all it is possible to frenzy yourself into a manic state through ritual without the aid of psychotropic substances as has been documented by various cultures and rituals throughout history. Of course it's all in ones head, then the person attributes it to their own personal Jesus [hey hey hey], simply substitute Jesus for X.

Of course those of us ... what's the term? Oh yeah, rationalists - know it's impossible. It's hillarious that people see it as being somehting that is open to debate. It's not a case of respecting someones beliefs or opening yourself up to possibilities. You just can't get drunk from reading The Bible. Sorry.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

No, David and his group explicitly make clear that they get drunk on Jesus Juice. Not relaxed spiritual state, not meditative, not anything which bears comparison to anything other than alcohol and a definate booze intoxication. They claim to get drunk. Pissed. Bottled. Sloshed. And they act it all out, too.

Personally although it's riddiculous I do think he believes it himself. After all it is possible to frenzy yourself into a manic state through ritual without the aid of psychotropic substances as has been documented by various cultures and rituals throughout history. Of course it's all in ones head, then the person attributes it to their own personal Jesus [hey hey hey], simply substitute Jesus for X.

Of course those of us ... what's the term? Oh yeah, rationalists - know it's impossible. It's hillarious that people see it as being somehting that is open to debate. It's not a case of respecting someones beliefs or opening yourself up to possibilities. You just can't get drunk from reading The Bible. Sorry.

I'm not wasting my time debating with someone whose mind is so closed that they can't see any point of view but their own. I feel sorry for you, but can't be arsed explaining my point any further. For the record I do not follow any form of organised religion but I sure as hell respect the beliefs of others. You can no more DISPROVE religion than you can PROVE it, so why not just admit that and move on? Instead you assert your opinion as if it were a proven fact - talk about arrogant.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

That's a view - but why did the 'celebs' allow themselves themselves to be bored to death by Steven in CBB? I tend to think it's a human reaction that you don't want to say to someome's face that they're talking sh1te.

I hope BB put a Mulsin and a Jewish person in next to see if they object. See him trying to indoctrinate the Jewish person that Jesus DID really come down to save us all.

Dave saying he'd put 'hands on' to Steve's stumps to get his Lord to grow him new legs was really out of order.

[paper-cut-exit]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Dave saying he'd put 'hands on' to Steve's stumps to get his Lord to grow him new legs was really out of order.

If that's what he said then he deserves to be evicted for that alone.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by paper-cut-exit

If that's what he said then he deserves to be evicted for that alone.

It was tactless, not malicious - Steve would of understood that I'm sure - no need for him to be evicted - over-reaction or what!

[paper-cut-exit]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It was tactless, not malicious - Steve would of understood that I'm sure - no need for him to be evicted - over-reaction or what!

I didn't say it was malicious. Just shows how much crap the guy talks and what a fake he is tho.

It's a good enough reason to evict him imo!

But i knew you'd jump to his defence again and disagree

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It was tactless, not malicious - Steve would of understood that I'm sure - no need for him to be evicted - over-reaction or what!

We disagree for once - having outrageous religious beliefs is one thing - telling a bloke he can 'fix' him thru his healing hands is another.

I dislike people as Dave and Steven Baldwin. Fair play if an epithany has solved their alcohol/drug addictions, but preaching on others not interested is wrong.

[janaddy86]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Dave saying he'd put 'hands on' to Steve's stumps to get his Lord to grow him new legs was really out of order.

I thought that was quite awkward for Steve when he was talking about that.

[Shiner]

I'm not a big Dave fan or owt but in the spirit of fairness I said this in a different thread and I think it explains it.

It's a fairly well documented phenomenon. It's a sort of hypnotic state entered into by meditation, only they are convinced of it spiritual origins. It can take many different forms. Just think about some of the gospel stuff you might have seen on the telly where they get right in to the music and start swooning and convulsing or the guys in Thailand that can put hooks into their body or knives through there faces. It's the same kind of thing except Dave feels euphoric. It's a big shame that some more stupid people take him literally when he says he gets "drunk" on the lord.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shiner

I'm not a big Dave fan or owt but in the spirit of fairness I said this in a different thread and I think it explains it.

I wouldn't waste your time on this lot. Like you, I'm not a Dave fan but to have a go at him because of his beliefs is low. Just because I don't subscribe to his beliefs, doesn't give me the right to ridicule him, especially as religious beliefs in general are based on concepts that can neither be proven or disproven, so it all boils down to a matter of personal opinion.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by angus58

Don't people recognise metaphor when they see it? - being drunk on the holy spirit is Dave's way of saying he is filled with the love of God (there are many references to being filled with the holy spirit in the bible and some denominations actively practice rituals designed to put its followers in a state of euphoria very similar to intoxication). If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

Personally, I nod off every time Nathan, Ife, Josie, Scabby, Sidekick or JJ open their mouths, so perhaps they should be more tolerant as they are deadly bores themselves.

Yes but he actually sways, slurs his words looks like hes about to burp and slouches in his chair like he has had a skinful.

[BOOSH]

Originally Posted by angus58

Don't people recognise metaphor when they see it? - being drunk on the holy spirit is Dave's way of saying he is filled with the love of God (there are many references to being filled with the holy spirit in the bible and some denominations actively practice rituals designed to put its followers in a state of euphoria very similar to intoxication). If people in the house are sick and tired of hearing him talk about God, then why don't they have the guts to tell him to **** instead of bitching about him behind his back?

Personally, I nod off every time Nathan, Ife, Josie, Scabby, Sidekick or JJ open their mouths, so perhaps they should be more tolerant as they are deadly bores themselves.

This!!!!!!! Thank you!

[Kaaarenn!]

I'm finding it a bit weird now. It's like he's takin the p**s or something :S

[Sabrewulf238]

Dave is a strange one.....sometimes I feel like laughing when it talks about being drunk on the holy spirit.....but other times I'm just like "what the? -_-"

[yousoboo!]

http://www.offgridworship.com/2009/0...oly-ghost.html

[Lee.]

To be honest, acting drunk or not acting, anybody who preaches their religion to others offends me. I personally don't like religion and am not religious myself, but I do however accept that many people feel the need for religion in their life. WHen people start harping on about it to others however, I feel quite uncomfortable and almost offended...

[BB_Eye]

It was the best substitute for actually giving the housemates alchohol and letting them have fun that BB could think of.

[BB_Eye]

I actually believe intoxication is very possible and obtainable without the use of illicit substances or copious amounts of alcohol. But reading the Bible is the last place I would look.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I actually believe intoxication is very possible and obtainable without the use of illicit substances or copious amounts of alcohol. But reading the Bible is the last place I would look.

Let me into the secret

[Peter Plunker]

Blimey you lot have been busy.

Right, let's clear up a few smaller things first.

Dave does not have a 'church' or people that follow him. He's a full time minister that goes around the country and abroad ministering in churches. As far as I'm concerned there is only one church anyway, it's like a tree with loads of branches.

I've known Dave for over ten years. The intoxication he speaks of has only increased over the last four years but has been spoken of in the church for two thousand years. The bible makes many references to God's presence being like wine and in the book of acts on the day of pentecost the early church founders came rolling out of the 'upper room' and people thought they were drunk, the response was 'These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It's only nine in the morning!' acts 12:15.
The intoxicating presence of God does indeed feel like being drunk or indeed stoned. It isn't mass hysteria or something that is whipped up. Sometimes I feel it just doing my job, or washing the dishes, or driving my car.
Psalm 16;11 says ' You have made known to me the path of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence,
with eternal pleasures at your right hand.'

1 Corinthians 2:14
14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Dave is not a preachy guy, he's just himself. You cannot however separate Dave from God. Nor should people try to. It's like accusing John James of preaching about Australia becuase he has an Oz accent.

If you have real axe to grind then contact Endemol with your concerns, don't throw up all kinds of dispicable accusations that bear no truth.

No doubt people will still criticise him and your perfectly entitled to do that. My faith (and Dave's) is rugged enough to withstand petty criticism. Just remember, you don't know him, I do.