[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

I've answered you time and time again.
Dave does not lead a cult.
If someone is being a dick I will tell them they are being a dick, that's not name calling.
I've had this conversation far more intelligent people than you, please don't flatter yourself into thinking I'm on the back foot.

But the point is that you don't have the conversation at all.

you just call them a dick or attack their intelligence.

"The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are reasonably considered strange. The word implies a group which is a minority in society..."

So, please explain to me, maybe without the insults or personal attacks, why The New Ecstatics are not a cult?

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by vesavius

But the point is that you don't have the conversation at all.

you just call them a dick or attack their intelligence.

"The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are reasonably considered strange. The word implies a group which is a minority in society..."

So, please explain to me, maybe without the insults or personal attacks, why The New Ecstatics are not a cult?

Now who's cherry picking? If you must quote wikipedia pages, at least quote them in context an in their entirety.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

I've answered you time and time again.
Dave does not lead a cult.
If someone is being a dick I will tell them they are being a dick, that's not name calling.
I've had this conversation far more intelligent people than you, please don't flatter yourself into thinking I'm on the back foot.

wow you came in steaming like ivor the engine then didn't you

[SoFarSoGood282]

I have been looking on his website and have found nothing on their beliefs.
http://www.thenewecstatics.co.uk/The...s/Welcome.html
As some one else on here said the just like to throw words around like ecstasy, drunk and high around to entice new young members to join..
Even on his videos he rambles on and on and most of it doesn't make sense!
The only thing on the website that is clear is the hyperlink to the donations page!

[fingers]

Jim Jones also brainwashed his followers to such an extent that they revered him and drank his poisoned Kool Aid killing 900 of them and making "the Reverend" one of the biggest mass murderers in peacetime.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

Jim Jones also brainwashed his followers to such an extent that they revered him and drank his poisoned Kool Aid killing 900 of them and making "the Reverend" one of the biggest mass murderers in peacetime.

Drama queens are out in full force I see!

[SoFarSoGood282]

Peter Plunker's answers are very like Dave's answers to Caoimhe!! Very vague!
Is he one of Dave's cult members??

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by SoFarSoGood282

Peter Plunker's answers are very like Dave's answers to Caoimhe!! Very vague!
Is he one of Dave's cult members??

Yes, but he won't tell us which one of them in the vids he is.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, but he won't tell us which one of them in the vids he is.

Why should he - and btw your attacks seem equally as vague - just opinions, no actual proof that Dave and his group are a 'cult'! Works both ways!

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, but he won't tell us which one of them in the vids he is.

Just look for the ugliest one looking adoringly at Dave...

[SoFarSoGood282]

By definition it is a cult but as with all cults the members will never see it as one!

[Late for the Party]

Hello all, I am indeed late for the party but.....so what, i thought i would start off by quoting one of my favorite authors "Richard Dawkins"
"There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"
I assume everyone has seen the 'Deceptive Wine From Lake Land' video on youtube, it might just change your opinion on St.Dave, weather you are religious or not.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

Hello all, I am indeed late for the party but.....so what, i thought i would start off by quoting one of my favorite authors "Richard Dawkins"
"There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"
I assume everyone has seen the 'Deceptive Wine From Lake Land' video on youtube, it might just change your opinion on St.Dave, weather you are religious or not.

We have been bombarded with these vids - hence some people fear what they don't understand!

[crit]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

We have been bombarded with these vids - hence some people fear what they don't understand!

Again point proven...you really should double check your posts for irony and pot kettle black syndrome before you hit the send button.

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

We have been bombarded with these vids - hence some people fear what they don't understand!

Excuse me but I understand completely....religion, including yours, daves and everyone else's, were born out of the human, fear of death and what happens afterwards........obviously

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

Excuse me but I understand completely....religion, including yours, daves and everyone else's, were born out of the human, fear of death and what happens afterwards........obviously

Look dear, I will say this one more time - I am not, have never been and never will be at all religious in any way, shape or form - but I do respect other people's rights to be so! I don't like cults and I don't like oppressive religions - but, so far, I have seen no evidence to suggest that Dave is either! When we die, we rot - realistic enough view for you!

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I have seen no evidence to suggest that Dave is either!

So you didn't click the link then.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

When we die, we rot

Amen!

Only humans are arrogant enough to assume we should go on and on and on in some other life. Er, no. In the words of the mighty JLS; you only get one shot, so make it count.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

Hello all, I am indeed late for the party but.....so what, i thought i would start off by quoting one of my favorite authors "Richard Dawkins"
"There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"
I assume everyone has seen the 'Deceptive Wine From Lake Land' video on youtube, it might just change your opinion on St.Dave, weather you are religious or not.

That vid is really disturbing tbh.

Like I have said already, either the Dave in that film is real, or the Dave in the house is real... Because the two arnt remotely similar.

Will the real Dave please stand up?

[fingers]

Originally Posted by vesavius

That vid is really disturbing tbh.

Like I have said already, either the Dave in that film is real, or the Dave in the house is real... Because the two arnt remotely similar.

Will the real Dave please stand up?

Actually THIS is disturbing!

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpr.../dave-vaughan/

Even More Disturbing is the fact that all of this was in the public domain LONG before BB put him in the House.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

Actually THIS is disturbing!

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpr.../dave-vaughan/

Even More Disturbing is the fact that all of this was in the public domain LONG before BB put him in the House.

VERY ,why can he name himself as "A man of the cloth?" why does he wear a monks outfit? why did he tell Keeva he could preform her wedding? crook and nutcase ,I have heard him and now read on here he remortgaged his house ,but he still has to pay the bills ,and the cost of the remortgage ,where does his money come from? giros? conning cancer victims? HATE him and his fake ways

[-Sue-]

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[Late for the Party]

I honestly don't think BB is the place for anyone remotely religious, particularly for someone with a belief system like Dave.
Maybe Dave isn't pushing his beliefs onto other house mates, but C4 have most certainly, pushed his beliefs onto us, merely by letting him onto the show in the first place.
Is he comparable to Jim Jones, no not yet, more like Derek Achora. They both are very good at conning gullible/vulnerable people out of there money, and they have both spent so much time preaching that they have actually convinced themselves, to a certain extent.
Anyone who has looked at those videos or have read through those articles properly, should be able to see straight through Dave's act, WOMBAI you should have gone to specksavers.
I agree, his religion is not a dangerous cult as of yet, but it has the potential to be a serious threat and danger to any vulnerable people who get involved in it.
What i wonder is, is Dave the one doing the brainwashing, or has some one brainwashed him.
BTW I am using the term brainwashing literally

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

I honestly don't think BB is the place for anyone remotely religious, particularly for someone with a belief system like Dave.
Maybe Dave isn't pushing his beliefs onto other house mates, but C4 have most certainly, pushed his beliefs onto us, merely by letting him onto the show in the first place.
Is he comparable to Jim Jones, no not yet, more like Derek Achora. They both are very good at conning gullible/vulnerable people out of there money, and they have both spent so much time preaching that they have actually convinced themselves, to a certain extent.
Anyone who has looked at those videos or have read through those articles properly, should be able to see straight through Dave's act, WOMBAI you should have gone to specksavers.
I agree, his religion is not a dangerous cult as of yet, but it has the potential to be a serious threat and danger to any vulnerable people who get involved in it.
What i wonder is, is Dave the one doing the brainwashing, or has some one brainwashed him.
BTW I am using the term brainwashing literally

Good, sensible, post.

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by fingers

Good, sensible, post.

I was worried for a while there, I thought WOMBAI was the voice of the majority