[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Bens a rubbish arguer to be fair. He's to passive and polite.

But he still whipped JJs ass!

So you didnt watch lf last night then ?

[Kore]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Bens a rubbish arguer to be fair. He's to passive and polite.

But he still whipped JJs ass!

Your talking out of YOUR ass Zip

NO WAY did Ben whip JJs ass... definately the other way around! Ben was lost for words and ended up asking for the debate to stop because he knew he was in the wrong. Its a shame C4 editors will make JJ look like the bad guy

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kore

Your talking out of YOUR ass Zip

NO WAY did Ben whip JJs ass... definately the other way around! Ben was lost for words and ended up asking for the debate to stop because he knew he was in the wrong. Its a shame C4 editors will make JJ look like the bad guy

he asked it to stop because JJ kept going over old ground as usual and his stop button brokeben said so didn't you hear him?,but IF you want to believe JJ won,who are we to stop you,dream on.

[supergirthuk]

Originally Posted by serensilver

On last nights live feed JJ was right, Ben is the most selfish housemate, he doesnt do anything for other people he is moaning for not having enough "alone" time ffs this is big brother its a community house you cant expect to be alone and have lights out and silence from 11:30 in the night!

Its all "poor Ben poor Ben" If Ben had his way they'd all be in bed by 11:30 and we would have nothing to watch apart from them all snoozing!

I just wish they would stop molly codling him and tell him to get involved with tasks and stop being so damn selfish!

There are plenty of places housemates can play and be raucous so why shouldnt people respect others if they want to sleep in a bedroom.

Ben repects that others are not like him and that they may not be able to contain there excitement but he just asks if people would respect that when people are sleeping that people allow them to do so.

Just because John James is sporty and enthusiastic to show himself in a good light with his competitive team spirit it doesnt mean everyone has to. Ben has as much right not to be enthusiastic as JJ has to be so.

However, if John James is the selfless person that he claims to be he would able to accept Ben's choices instead of trying to highlight what he deems as a flaw and get people in the house against Ben. This is obvious gameplay by John James as he attacks at least one housemate each week after evictions or on the Sunday before Monday's nominations. There is nothing wrong with gameplay but he is overly aggressive in the way he does it and do not be mistaken into thinking that what he would like you to believe is a selfless act will be used by himself to show himself in a good light and is therefore not selfless but a calculated gamble with a wholly selfish intent.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by supergirthuk

There are plenty of places housemates can play and be raucous so why shouldnt people respect others if they want to sleep in a bedroom.

Ben repects that others are not like him and that they may not be able to contain there excitement but he just asks if people would respect that when people are sleeping that people allow them to do so.

Just because John James is sporty and enthusiastic to show himself in a good light with his competitive team spirit it doesnt mean everyone has to. Ben has as much right not to be enthusiastic as JJ has to be so.

However, if John James is the selfless person that he claims to be he would able to accept Ben's choices instead of trying to highlight what he deems as a flaw and get people in the house against Ben. This is obvious gameplay by John James as he attacks at least one housemate each week after evictions or on the Sunday before Monday's nominations. There is nothing wrong with gameplay but he is overly aggressive in the way he does it and do not be mistaken into thinking that what he would like you to believe is a selfless act will be used by himself to show himself in a good light and is therefore not selfless but a calculated gamble with a wholly selfish intent.

Well posted and spot on.

[alc09]

JJ was talking ****, he would never talk to another HM like that. Not a chance.

[red]

yes JJ did have a point but he didnt need to be so aggressive about it , IMO he should have told him in a calm way..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by red

yes JJ did have a point but he didnt need to be so aggressive about it , IMO he should have told him in a calm way..

"Aggresive" ?????? Jesus wept ,change the record

[red]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"Aggresive" ?????? Jesus wept ,change the record

crab-eyes's head looked like itwas about to explode during the argument..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by red

crab-eyes's head looked like itwas about to explode during the argument..

So you didnt bother watching live feed then ?

[serensilver]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"Aggresive" ?????? Jesus wept ,change the record

agreed! if they think JJ was aggresive god help them!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by serensilver

agreed! if they think JJ was aggresive god help them!

Not ONCE has he been remotly threatening ,not once as he been violent,thrown anything about ,booted stuff about ,hes gobby ...so what ? hardly rime of the century is it ,some folks are SO pathetic

[Angus]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not ONCE has he been remotly threatening ,not once as he been violent,thrown anything about ,booted stuff about ,hes gobby ...so what ? hardly rime of the century is it ,some folks are SO pathetic

You seem to have forgotten he got a warning from BB for unacceptable behaviour

[-Sue-]

chattig / banta or trying to get a point across ito Ben's thick skull you need to shout to be heard.. very furstrating to have your say and the person your tryig to resolve an issue with just keeps spouting 'poor me' or digs.. but skips over all thats said by other person...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

chattig / banta or trying to get a point across ito Ben's thick skull you need to shout to be heard.. very furstrating to have your say and the person your tryig to resolve an issue with just keeps spouting 'poor me' or digs.. but skips over all thats said by other person...

Then ropes everyone else in for back up ,loads the gun ofr others to fire the bullits

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Then ropes everyone else in for back up ,loads the gun ofr others to fire the bullits

exactly he plays the sympathy card well..shame really such a waste of perfectly good points on him from JJ.. in one ear out the other...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

exactly he plays the sympathy card well..shame really such a waste of perfectly good points on him from JJ.. in one ear out the other...

hes been the same from the start ,Mario has moved away from him now because every argument Ben got in he dragged Mario in to defend him

[alc09]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

hes been the same from the start ,Mario has moved away from him now because every argument Ben got in he dragged Mario in to defend him

No, Mario has 'moved away' beause Ben doesn't fancy him.

Ben didn't drag him in, Mario constantly offered to stick up for him, as he did with Ife.

Simple as that.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

JJ is a fine one to talk. Pot and kettle spring to mind. Let's not forget that JJ threw (or so he says) the 'Save and Replace' Task with Caoihme. Where was his committment to a task? I don't think he threw that 'S&R' task. Upon realising he was up against a woman he thought there was a chance that he might lose. So to save face (when Coimhe won the task) it was easy for JJ to say he threw it.

[joeysteele]

serensilver,never mind what I say but really, do yourself some real good and read and absorb the posts left by jedwardfever and kazanne particularly,do what JJ cannot and read them,absorb them and learn from them.
Remove from your eyes the rose coloured glasses you look at the vile tempered,woman hating John James with and sort out your selective memory too.
BEN never insults, he states his case in a reasoned and articulate way,how he hasn't up to now really blown his top with JJ shows his strength of character and understanding in the midst of totally unfair and paranoiac barracking from the likes of John James.
The real reason though that Ben doesn't need to lose his temper and resort to insults etc,is because he has right on his side, his analysis and debate are usually totally correct.
John James is a troublemaker and a rather nasty and unsavoury one at times too.

[serensilver]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

serensilver,never mind what I say but really, do yourself some real good and read and absorb the posts left by jedwardfever and kazanne particularly,do what JJ cannot and read them,absorb them and learn from them.
Remove from your eyes the rose coloured glasses you look at the vile tempered,woman hating John James with and sort out your selective memory too.
BEN never insults, he states his case in a reasoned and articulate way,how he hasn't up to now really blown his top with JJ shows his strength of character and understanding in the midst of totally unfair and paranoiac barracking from the likes of John James.
The real reason though that Ben doesn't need to lose his temper and resort to insults etc,is because he has right on his side, his analysis and debate are usually totally correct.
John James is a troublemaker and a rather nasty and unsavoury one at times too.

Why should i read what other people have put and "learn from them" thats only their opinion! and i have mine! in my eyes JJ was right he wasnt aggressive he said what he wanted to! Ben asked him what the problem was so he told him! I didnt say Ben blew his top he always does that poor poor im right thing!
Maybe you should remove the rose tinted glasses and realise that ben is a selfish moaner!

[joeysteele]

He got the warning because BB from the footage realised that JJ had used inappropriate behaviour and force to drag her along the ground,they further noted that she had requested him to stop but he didnt,they also found that JJ ahd also ignored Mario when he got involved and also he continued to use the physical force even while Mario was trying to free her.
That is why he got the warning,he should have had many more by now,what he did, and I didn't like SUNSHINE,but what he did was very close to an assault,and if anyone wasd ragging a female person I knew as he was then and she was yelling stop,I would have had to step in and use force to remove him from her.If you who are defending him against her on this matter are for real then I feel sorry for you.HE was 100% wrong and really he should have been thrown out for it,it can never be right to put your hands on someone when they tell you to stop or not to.He is arotten piece of work with massive problems and needs help so he should be forced to leave to get that help before he injures himself or someone else.

[Zippy]

He got a warning for violently attacking a fragile innocent woman.

He should be held in a cage in the garden. Like a wild large monkey.

[serensilver]

Originally Posted by Zippy

He got a warning for violently attacking a fragile innocent woman.

He should be held in a cage in the garden. Like a wild large monkey.

he hardly violently attacked a fragile woman they just had a argument if he was that bad he would have had to leave as big brother does not tollerate.

He had one warning weeks ago and thats all

[Julesuk]

He thinks he has the right, sick to death of people excusing bens behaviour in the house, so what if they lost the task they were being asked to do a task to win back the suitcase of someone that only considers himself. Hast thou all forgotten how he made Dave do his wrath of the tree task because he refused to carry on with it. Why dont people get off of JJ's case I dont think he is at all agressive and definitely not a bully there are no bullies in the house. I'm just sick of BB playing up to Ben and giving him his 5 min of fame every friday night.