[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You actually went away, fumed about it until you couldnt bear it any longer, thought of something else to say, and came back and created a new post for it instead of editing to original one?

Oh dear - I must be going crazy then - the effects of having to try and reason with a bunch of hysterical Josie fans!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Tamtam

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

Lets get this thread back on track.

I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Lets get this thread back on track.

I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

How about following through with your accusations and showing me where I have name-called anyone on this thread! You just can't stand a bit of healthy debate if it criticises your fav hm!

[tintedshadow]

smh wombai trust me when i say i think much the same of josie as you do,but can each thread your in please not be derailed in to mindless bickering?things get a little too personal,you seem to want to attack josie fans as if their idiots for favouring her over others.. believe i dont like her as much as you do but these threads are becoming less constructive,thus the only ones that comment in here are ones who will argue with you.. im asking kindly as these threads are interesting for me,as im sure they are for others.. debate is okay but there's always a slight edge of venom and antagonism about each post..

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

smh wombai trust me when i say i think much the same of josie as you do,but can each thread your in please not be derailed in to mindless bickering?things get a little too personal,you seem to want to attack josie fans as if their idiots for favouring her over others.. believe i dont like her as much as you do but these threads are becoming less constructive,thus the only ones that comment in here are ones who will argue with you.. im asking kindly as these threads are interesting for me,as im sure they are for others.. debate is okay but there's always a slight edge of venom and antagonism about each post..

Please tell me how I started it? Because that is not my view of things - I just re-read the thread - and still I don't see that the bickering is down to me. I defended myself when the op was hostile and accused me of being bitter because I posted my reasons for not liking Josie! She got sarcastic and I got sarcastic back - how does that become my fault!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

How about following through with your accusations and showing me where I have name-called anyone on this thread! You just can't stand a bit of healthy debate if it criticises your fav hm!

Please Wom, I have tried to carry this thread on with reference to the OP. Don't please keep dragging it back to trolling? Not every thread has to be about that and this one has seen enough of it tbh.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

smh wombai trust me when i say i think much the same of josie as you do,but can each thread your in please not be derailed in to mindless bickering?things get a little too personal,you seem to want to attack josie fans as if their idiots for favouring her over others.. believe i dont like her as much as you do but these threads are becoming less constructive,thus the only ones that comment in here are ones who will argue with you.. im asking kindly as these threads are interesting for me,as im sure they are for others.. debate is okay but there's always a slight edge of venom and antagonism about each post..

Exactly Tinted.

I know you don't see things my way regarding caoimhe and Josie, but thats cool because you talk about it calmly and stay on topic.

I appreciate your posts.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by Tamtam

(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

i tried to understand this point when it was raised by another guy on here last night,i fail to see why caoimhe speaking to john should annoy josie?first off she has said she fancies him then retracted said statement,then said she does again (which btw is fine we all do this flip flopping around in life) but she spends her time with anyone she wants,flirts with anyone she wants,flashes andrew and does whatever knowing john likes/fancies/infatuated with her.. her treatment with him last week was pretty low,he still apologised even after it was shown that she had called him whatever the name was..

and in that discussion,she and john were outside,she began poking at him liking keeley,he insisted he didnt and they joked about,she then took issue with it and went for him then when he said she called him crab eyes she went off on one (saying how it wasnt her,but steve that had said it,when infact it was her) ... and when he went in the diary room obviosly in a bad state,she took pop shots at him the whole time,he still forgave her..

this past week has shown a diffrent side to her.. i fail to understand why she can flirt far more with any guy she wants,but john spending time with who he gets on with is an issue?anyone who says caoimhe is a "vile" person for "pushing josie's buttons" will surely have noticed when john was in the bathroom,and she started talking to andrew and telling him "look at him,he even has a problem with me speaking to you" when john simply walked in to the bathroom and didnt say a word..

personally on here the josie fans wont see fault in her actions,but then again i suppose jj fans aren't much better. from an objective point of you though,i'd say josie isnt a victim as much as is being made out on here..

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Please Wom, I have tried to carry this thread on with reference to the OP. Don't please keep dragging it back to trolling? Not every thread has to be about that and this one has seen enough of it tbh.

And that isn't down to me! Threads are supposed to be about debate - both sides giving their reasons for liking/disliking a hm! It is what it is all about! Who are you to call me a troll for expressing my opinions, same as everyone else - and stop attempting to make me look the guilty one because I happen to dislike her rather than like her!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

And that isn't down to me! Threads are supposed to be about debate - both sides giving their reasons for liking/disliking a hm! It is what it is all about! Who are you to call me a troll for expressing my opinions, same as everyone else - and stop attempting to make me look the guilty one because I happen to dislike her rather than like her!

Please stop now?

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Please tell me how I started it? Because that is not my view of things - I just re-read the thread - and still I don't see that the bickering is down to me. I defended myself when the op was hostile and accused me of being bitter because I posted my reasons for not liking Josie! She got sarcastic and I got sarcastic back - how does that become my fault!

forgive me wombai,there seems to be a misunderstanding here.. i have not said you started anything,andthis isnt the playground where anyone says "ooh she started it so i said this ner ner"... my point was simply this forum is for all,and since we both share an equal dislike for josie i'd like to debate it,but by the time i get on here you've battled your way through the josie fan's and there is no longer a discussion to be had..

i agree you are not always the one to start it,but you are the one to always get personal first,where someone would say i like josie shes so sweet (whether that is true or not is not the point) you will then pipe in with "dont be so naive,i feel for you if you think shes a sweet girl your more deluded than i thought" ...

fyi thats not a direct quote more just the jist to highlight my point,i may disagree with almost all in here,but getting personal isnt called for nor is it constructive,furthermore it would stop others from posting in here,i thought twice before posting in three previos threads simply because of the bickering. (although i understand its about free speach and if i dont like what i see then look at another thread) my point is more the threads i wish to post in your already in,im simply asking kindly if the personal attacks on others could be put aside for the sake of healthy debate?if not its not a problem i just thought i'd ask..

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

forgive me wombai,there seems to be a misunderstanding here.. i have not said you started anything,andthis isnt the playground where anyone says "ooh she started it so i said this ner ner"... my point was simply this forum is for all,and since we both share an equal dislike for josie i'd like to debate it,but by the time i get on here you've battled your way through the josie fan's and there is no longer a discussion to be had..

i agree you are not always the one to start it,but you are the one to always get personal first,where someone would say i like josie shes so sweet (whether that is true or not is not the point) you will then pipe in with "dont be so naive,i feel for you if you think shes a sweet girl your more deluded than i thought" ...

fyi thats not a direct quote more just the jist to highlight my point,i may disagree with almost all in here,but getting personal isnt called for nor is it constructive,furthermore it would stop others from posting in here,i thought twice before posting in three previos threads simply because of the bickering. (although i understand its about free speach and if i dont like what i see then look at another thread) my point is more the threads i wish to post in your already in,im simply asking kindly if the personal attacks on others could be put aside for the sake of healthy debate?if not its not a problem i just thought i'd ask..

Whilst I appreciate what you say - I disagree that I resort to personal insults - unless in response to such insults to myself. If I did I would be warned or banned! Anything I say, is very tame compared to many on this site. Yes, maybe tit for tat is not always the way to go - but it takes two- so both should be criticised! The op was insulting and sarcastic to myself and another poster, but I hear no criticism of that! I have no wish to spoil the thread any more than anyone else - but if this thread has been spoilt, and I hope it hasn't, I don't believe it was by me!

[vesavius]

Attempt 2 to get this thread back on track;

Originally Posted by Tamtam

I didnt start liking her and to be honest I did really get why others did. At the start I was a Dave supporter (but that has soured for me) but watching this all unfold I honestly feel for her. She has been latched upon by the biggest emotional vampires in that house (Keeva and JJ) and they have dragged her down to a place where she dosent even know herself or really how to handle it. I think it's sad. I think it's sadder that so many posters here seem so hard and condemning of her for actually having real emotions in reacting to stuff thats been done to her, when there are so many people faking it in there that deserve the hate so much more.

It's also pretty much boiling my blood that C4 always show her upset but never ever show WHY she is upset or explain the whole story. I think thats the main reason so many are against her to be honest... they just don't know what Keeva has been doing and think it's 100% a unprovoked jealous reaction, when in reality it just isnt. While the jealousy from Joise is very real (god forbid she has human emotions eh? Lets all hate her for that right?) it is only 50% of the issue in all this from what I see, but the other 50% isnt being told at all.

So, in defiance of BB's unfair representation, the herd mentality of the baying mob, and in support of real HMs showing real emotions, I openly declare my love and support for Josie!




(And I hate that JJ is pretending to not get why Keeva's underhand sly poking at Josie via looks and whatever wind Josie up, especially when he himself raged so much at Rachael for a lot lot less. You would think he would get it a lot more to be honest.)

I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Whilst I appreciate what you say - I disagree that I resort to personal insults - unless in response to such insults to myself. If I did I would be warned or banned! Anything I say, is very tame compared to many on this site. Yes, maybe tit for tat is not always the way to go - but it takes two- so both should be criticised! The op was insulting and sarcastic to myself and another poster, but I hear no criticism of that! I have no wish to spoil the thread any more than anyone else - but if this thread has been spoilt, and I hope it hasn't, I don't believe it was by me!

okay i wont keep bringing it back to this so all i will say is perhaps you feel they attacked you,but the op wasnt insulting imo but in every thread your in it does descend in to chaos once you throw the first punch so to speak... but ill leave it there and thanks for not biting my head off even though im not your favourite poster by a merry mile

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Attempt 2 to get this thread back on track;




I completely agree about JJs' bewildering lack of understanding... you would think of all people he would get how nasty people can be with 'looks', let alone muttered comments and intentional flirting.

is there anywhere on this forum or the ch4 site that can highlight these muttered comments for me?i seem to be missing a big chunk of this situation,but i still dont see how its worst than josies comments to andrew when she knows john fancies her,or her treatment of john for that matter..

if caoimhe had flashed john and been latched on to john the way josie had been with andrew then i could see that as intentional flirting,them two laughing and speaking to one another without josie around isnt enough on its own imo,so im interested to know about these comments that have obviosly gone on since everyone is so up in arms about it

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by tintedshadow

is there anywhere on this forum or the ch4 site that can highlight these muttered comments for me?i seem to be missing a big chunk of this situation

No, thats exactly the point, BB hasnt shown them in the HLs or mentioned them on the BB site.

If you didnt pick them up on the LF when they happened you would never know... This is a big part of what I mean when I say half of this situation hasnt been represented.

[jj43]

Stay cool everyone

[tintedshadow]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, thats exactly the point, BB hasnt shown them in the HLs or mentioned them on the BB site.

If you didnt pick them up on the LF when they happened you would never know... This is a big part of what I mean when I say half of this situation hasnt been represented.

okay but surely if these were as controversial as some say,is there a thread on here with quotes of what has been said?or any quick examples you could give me? btw im not testing to see what you know,i am genuinely interested cause i feel like im missing out in some way

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Whilst I appreciate what you say - I disagree that I resort to personal insults - unless in response to such insults to myself. If I did I would be warned or banned! Anything I say, is very tame compared to many on this site. Yes, maybe tit for tat is not always the way to go - but it takes two- so both should be criticised! The op was insulting and sarcastic to myself and another poster, but I hear no criticism of that! I have no wish to spoil the thread any more than anyone else - but if this thread has been spoilt, and I hope it hasn't, I don't believe it was by me!

You being your usual popular self again WOMBAI. LOL.

You've been reading 'How to win friends and influence people' again haven't you.

[ashlee-s-]

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[WOMBAI]

No thanks - she is vile!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You being your usual popular self again WOMBAI. LOL.

You've been reading 'How to win friends and influence people' again haven't you.

I have my moments!

Whereas you ....!

[InOne]

Ohhh ffs this, annoying bint again, bumping Josie threads

[BBfan46]

Simply the best... better than all the rest.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

Simply the best... better than all the rest.

simply a sex pest more like

she belongs in cell block H

a) she sees JJ as 11yo little brother (pedo AND incest double right there)

b) she is ugly and stone-faced, with evil eyes

c) she is a lazy slob and so wouldnt mind laying around in a cell all day anyway