[yellowzebra8]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Some might be hate - the rest is pure logic and commonsense!

Josie is manipulating the relationship for airtime and votes - clear as crystal!

Isn't that the bloody point of Big Brother!!!
I wish people would begin to udnerstand that its a gameshow, and people that play the game do not deserve to be hated!!!! I wish UK BB was more like American BB because over there they ALL play to win and manipulate and its great TV! PLUS THEY AREN'T HATED FOR IT!!!
Over here, people are way too judgemental and full of hate. The people who are entertaining get voted out early on and the boring ones win. Then people complain the show is boring.
It's this kind of hate that has killed off Big Brother. It's such a shame as it was such a good show.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by yellowzebra8;3588532[B[B

]]Isn't that the bloody point of Big Brother!!![/B]I wish people would begin to udnerstand that its a gameshow, and people that play the game do not deserve to be hated!!!! [/B]I wish UK BB was more like American BB because over there they ALL play to win and manipulate and its great TV! PLUS THEY AREN'T HATED FOR IT!!!
Over here, people are way too judgemental and full of hate. The people who are entertaining get voted out early on and the boring ones win. Then people complain the show is boring.
It's this kind of hate that has killed off Big Brother. It's such a shame as it was such a good show.

Yes - but it is the way she does it that is abhorent! If people want to resort to gameplans, not reprehensible in themselves, fine, but it is how they choose to do it that counts! They should be using their wit and personality to earn their money, so to speak, not resorting to the easy option of having a faux romance - in my book that is tantamount to prostituting yourself!

I have been very disappointed in Josie - when she first came in she seemed the sort of sensible, down to earth type that wouldn't resort to that sort of nonsense - but that was certainly not the case! She went in for the kill - made her claim early on in the game, so that others kept their mits off JJ - and ensured herself plenty of airtime! Just so obvious, it is embarrassing! She seemed to have more potential than that - but, as it turned out, did not!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I assume nothing - it is obvious - the way she homed in on JJ right from day one harping on about his good looks!

As we all know that 'romance', fake or otherwise - get lots of attention on bb -commonsense dictates it was a lot more than coincidence that she 'fell' for him almost immediately!

Suposition and conjecture and opinion! She was supposed to fancy him like mad but keet it to herself? SHE DID for ages but then he fell for her too.
Accept that its your slant on her character which has resulted from the fact that yo just don't like her, commonsense dictates etc... my foot!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

Suposition and conjecture and opinion! She was supposed to fancy him like mad but keet it to herself? SHE DID for ages but then he fell for her too.
Accept that its your slant on her character which has resulted from the fact that yo just don't like her, commonsense dictates etc... my foot!

You know nothing! Firstly it was certainly not ages - it was the first week or two!

Secondly - I liked her to start off with - it was the way she homed in on the 'have a romance' easy option that put me right off her! I thought she might actually be the type to have an interesting personaltiy - boy did she disappoint on that one - all she ever talks about is JJ and how much does he fancy her - boring as *uck!

She bores, disappoints and pretty much disgusts me now - with her pitiful silly romantic head - not the interesting, intelligent one many of us hoped for!

[stewart64]

I feel uncomfortable about her character. She is sometimes smiling but her eyes tell a different story and have a bored glaze.

I prefer housemates that are 100% genuine....CORIN !!!!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Yes - but it is the way she does it that is abhorent! If people want to resort to gameplans, not reprehensible in themselves, fine, but it is how they choose to do it that counts! They should be using their wit and personality to earn their money, so to speak, not resorting to the easy option of having a faux romance - in my book that is tantamount to prostituting yourself!

I have been very disappointed in Josie - when she first came in she seemed the sort of sensible, down to earth type that wouldn't resort to that sort of nonsense - but that was certainly not the case! She went in for the kill - made her claim early on in the game, so that others kept their mits off JJ - and ensured herself plenty of airtime! Just so obvious, it is embarrassing! She seemed to have more potential than that - but, as it turned out, did not!

So how is any of this rant, born of a biased hatred fair? I've read other posts of yours where you castigate people for making comments based on their asessments of HMs (who you favour)and yet heres someone YOU hate and suddenly its ok to do just that ! You did this on a thread of mine recently, one where I was truely trying to understand one of the HMs character. You persistantly interferred with constant demands for proof of bad motive, said that it was unfair to assume etc ....
you are a hypocrite!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

So how is any of this rant, born of a biased hatred fair? I've read other posts of yours where you castigate people for making comments based on their asessments of HMs (who you favour)and yet heres someone YOU hate and suddenly its ok to do just that ! You did this on a thread of mine recently, one where I was truely trying to understand one of the HMs character. You persistantly interferred with constant demands for proof of bad motive, said that it was unfair to assume etc ....
you are a hypocrite!

Because there is a big difference in accusing someone of being a charleton who rips people off (which is illegal and an imprisonable offence) than accusing someone of a very obvious fake romance! Get a grip - if you can't see the difference - that is your problem!

[setanta]

She is a sneaky, insecure and manipulative cow. Saw it after the first week or so and nothing has changed for me. Sure she's getting worse to be honest withy you. Just a real shame that JJ wasn't evicted last night because then Josie would have lost the plot completely.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by setanta

She is a sneaky, insecure and manipulative cow. Saw it after the first week or so and nothing has changed for me. Sure she's getting worse to be honest withy you. Just a real shame that JJ wasn't evicted last night because then Josie would have lost the plot completely.

Indeed! How many on here see exactly what is presented to them without question - despite it being obvious someone was going to play the 'romance' card - as happens every year!

People undoubtedly see what they want to see! It is a fake environment, with a lot of fake people and yet another fake romance!

Yes, a big shame JJ didn't go - I would have liked to have seen what Josie's next move would have been!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Because there is a big difference in accusing someone of being a charleton who rips people off (which is illegal and an imprisonable offence) than accusing someone of a very obvious fake romance! Get a grip - if you can't see the difference - that is your problem!

No, I was trying to 'get a grip' on what was going on, you kept interjecting with (what turned out to be biased-in-favour) arguments about how you'd need proof that Dave was conning people.
My opinion of him IN the house was poor because he was being thourougly unpleasant about Ben (whilst telling Ben that he always backs him up)
Your argument was that I was being unfair to Dave, because I had the temerity to post that disgusting video of Dave in his wheelchair and naturally questioned his motives and also that you've never heard Dave backstab Ben and even if he (Dave) did, it was a matter of opinion as to wether he was being malicious
What you fail to see is that you are basing your opinions on the subjective belief that Josie is a fraud. (even according to your own argument)
My judgements were based on what I have seen and heard of Dave on screen, not imagined or subjective.
The wheelchair video debate was never resolved for me because you (amongst others) were too hell bent on viewing the discusion as a hate campaign ... you got it wrong again!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

No, I was trying to 'get a grip' on what was going on, you kept interjecting with (what turned out to be biased-in-favour) arguments about how you'd need proof that Dave was conning people.
My opinion of him IN the house was poor because he was being thourougly unpleasant about Ben (whilst telling Ben that he always backs him up)
Your argument was that I was being unfair to Dave, because I had the temerity to post that disgusting video of Dave in his wheelchair and naturally questioned his motives and also that you've never heard Dave backstab Ben and even if he (Dave) did, it was a matter of opinion as to wether he was being malicious
What you fail to see is that you are basing your opinions on the subjective belief that Josie is a fraud. (even according to your own argument)
My judgements were based on what I have seen and heard of Dave on screen, not imagined or subjective.
The wheelchair video debate was never resolved for me because you (amongst others) were too hell bent on viewing the discusion as a hate campaign ... you got it wrong again!

I asked you to produce proof that Dave was a conman ripping people off! You couldn't, neither could anyone else! Says it all really! Those video's proved nothing and were wide open to personal interpretation - therefore your opinons based on them were very much your intepretation and indeed very subjective!

You are entitled to your opinions on Dave as a hm, never said you weren't - but as soon as you start posting those vids - you put a different slant on things and show that you opinions are influenced by his religious views and your take on how he goes about practicing those views - therefore very biased.

So the wheelchair debate was not resolved for you - that is not the way it came across! I think you have already made your mind up regardless! I haven't got anything wrong - you just always like to be right it seems!

[housemate]

[QUOTE=WOMBAI;3589306]I asked you to produce proof that Dave was a conman ripping people off! You couldn't, neither could anyone else! Says it all really! Those video's proved nothing and were wide open to personal interpretation - therefore your opinons based on them were very much your intepretation and indeed very subjective!

You are entitled to your opinions on Dave as a hm, never said you weren't - but as soon as you start posting those vids - you put a different slant on things and show that you opinions are influenced by his religious views and your take on how he goes about practicing those views - therefore very biased.

So the wheelchair debate was not resolved for you - that is not the way it came across! I think you have already made your mind up regardless! I haven't got anything wrong - you just always like to be right it seems![/QUOTE

Thanks for allowing me an opinion Wombai Theres no point in explaining to you that are SO wrong about me, I love to be proved wrong .. take the video, had you not stormed the thread, somebody might have been able to explain what Dave was doing etc.... you (amongst others) made that impossible unfortunatly but I did follow up by researching the Emerge Wales group. I took time to have an informed opinion on Daves Mindset.
One of the threads that day however did make me doubt that Dave was a complete fraud, its a very scary thought but it COULD be possible that Dave DOES believe that he went to the Sun and gets drunk on the Glory talks to Fairies etc....
Incidentally, I don't pre-judge anybody .. EVER, I'm of the mind that I'm not that smart,

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

That same one that told you Sunshine would win?

Nope, the pigeon told me that Ben would go that is all.

[WOMBAI]

[QUOTE=housemate;3589506]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I asked you to produce proof that Dave was a conman ripping people off! You couldn't, neither could anyone else! Says it all really! Those video's proved nothing and were wide open to personal interpretation - therefore your opinons based on them were very much your intepretation and indeed very subjective!

You are entitled to your opinions on Dave as a hm, never said you weren't - but as soon as you start posting those vids - you put a different slant on things and show that you opinions are influenced by his religious views and your take on how he goes about practicing those views - therefore very biased.

So the wheelchair debate was not resolved for you - that is not the way it came across! I think you have already made your mind up regardless! I haven't got anything wrong - you just always like to be right it seems![/QUOTE

Thanks for allowing me an opinion Wombai Theres no point in explaining to you that are SO wrong about me, I love to be proved wrong .. take the video, had you not stormed the thread, somebody might have been able to explain what Dave was doing etc.... you (amongst others) made that impossible unfortunatly but I did follow up by researching the Emerge Wales group. I took time to have an informed opinion on Daves Mindset.
One of the threads that day however did make me doubt that Dave was a complete fraud, its a very scary thought but it COULD be possible that Dave DOES believe that he went to the Sun and gets drunk on the Glory talks to Fairies etc....
Incidentally, I don't pre-judge anybody .. EVER, I'm of the mind that I'm not that smart,

Why such inflammatory remarks as 'thanks for allowing me an opinion' - I never implied you needed my permission!

Again comments such as 'storming the thread' could just as easily be applied to you, and many others! Most of the threads referring to Dave as a conman and Steve as a pervert (both of which are extremely offensive allegations) have been based on nothing but personal opinion (likes and dislikes) - and definitely without any evidence whatsoever. Understandable that people (including myself) get pretty annoyed about that!

I have accused Josie of contriving a fake romance and having a gameplan - hardly in the same league! Lets please not get things out of perspective!

[KERRYJ]

wombai, who do you like in that house. You keep telling who you don't like. Tell us who is your favourite and then we will all rip into you with some mindless, relentless, drivel ridden rant and see how you like it. Your opinion it seems is the only one that counts so pray tell us all who do you like, change my opinion of you as an ignorant neandarthal who has hairy palms and likes nothing better than to spend your weekend dragging your knuckles on the ground. Its not nice is it when it gets personal and I can answer back Josie can't.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by KERRYJ

wombai, who do you like in that house. You keep telling who you don't like. Tell us who is your favourite and then we will all rip into you with some mindless, relentless, drivel ridden rant and see how you like it. Your opinion it seems is the only one that counts so pray tell us all who do you like, change my opinion of you as an ignorant neandarthal who has hairy palms and likes nothing better than to spend your weekend dragging your knuckles on the ground. Its not nice is it when it gets personal and I can answer back Josie can't.

Feel free to answer back - just as you are doing now and many others have done - so what a ridiculous remark to make! Poor Dave and Steve can't answer back at all their haters and the OTT allegations they are making! What makes your precious Josie so different!

I have made no secret of who I like - it is all over many threads! I like Dave, Steve, Andrew, Corin and a few others! So! Say what you like - just as I will about Josie being a obvious fake! Because you don't want to hear it - it's drivel - I think not!

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by angiec

OK did say this was a debate not a list of things you THINK you know about her,

Yeah she got jealous Iv done that but it doesn't make me a bunny boiler and neither is she, think about it, if she was he would not be allowed to speak to anyone at all.

She thought Caiomhe was her friend and she got jelouse of running round after him when she was drunk in a see through shirt, also how close they got, again this is not a bunny boiler, it is normal behaviour in some.

The rest of the list is just silly

amazingly I forgot

11. sucks her thumb. 25 sucks her thumb. earlier in show said JJ reminds her of a little 11yo brother. sucks her thumb 25 she fancies the arse off him wants his LITTLE willy sucks her thumb she wants John James cos she sees him as 11yo little brother
25 and sucks her thumb

PAEDO alert

JOSIE THE BUNNY BOILER AND PAEDO !!!!!!

[THE WATCHER]

Lets see why I dislike Josie, hmmm, well she is lazy, she does nothing more than eat and sleep, is arrogant thinking she and lover boy are thru to the final, long list still but thats enough for now

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by yellowzebra8

Isn't that the bloody point of Big Brother!!!
I wish people would begin to udnerstand that its a gameshow, and people that play the game do not deserve to be hated!!!! I wish UK BB was more like American BB because over there they ALL play to win and manipulate and its great TV! PLUS THEY AREN'T HATED FOR IT!!!
Over here, people are way too judgemental and full of hate. The people who are entertaining get voted out early on and the boring ones win. Then people complain the show is boring.
It's this kind of hate that has killed off Big Brother. It's such a shame as it was such a good show.

Hate: Govan~ Ife~ Steve~ Nathan. Hypocrite !

[ashlee-s-]

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