[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's been kind of rough in here over the last 24 hours. It's been like playing Millwall. Away. And without so much witty banter.

Less gritted teeth at Millwall too.....erm maybe not...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've never understood the hate against Dave to be honest. He believes what he believes... that's it. He hasn't claimed anything that other more established religons don't also claim. Look at Lourdes, a great money-spinner for the Catholics with not much actual proof that people are cured as a result of visiting. It's not like Dave's preaching hate against other religions or saying we're all going to burn in hell if we don't follow him. There are far more odious people in the world if you're looking for a witch hunt.

You need to look at the videos

[Beso]

Look at all the paranoid freaks giving it large asking old worn out internet hardmen questions to a newbie..

"and you are"
"what is your association with dave"



what a sh!t forum this has ended up for the last week or two of the last bb...it's a shame...

[Kazanne]

There are vidoes on this forum somewhere

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by TheBrilliantOne

I was reading this thread earlier today: http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=156006

Ok, so I had problems viewing the clip (my connection is slow today) but from the negative comments about Dave lately, I'm calling out these people to actually provide evidence for their claims.

I've heard people claim that Dave is a 'con man'.

Prove it.

I want people who say these things to either back it up or stop with the anti-Dave posts. He's an entertaining HM and if Sam doesn't win, I hope Dave does. He's 2nd most entertaining in there and deserves respect for his many golden moments in the house.

Can you prove to me he isn't? If you can show me proof of him visiting the Sun I may have a rethink.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Can you prove to me he isn't? If you can show me proof of him visiting the Sun I may have a rethink.

No - the person that makes the allegations is the one required to prove it - British law!

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

No - the person that makes the allegations is the one required to prove it - British law!

Ok, I'll wait until Friday when he's booted out and ask him for the proof.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Ok, I'll wait until Friday when he's booted out and ask him for the proof.

Dave is not the one making the allegations. You are. If you claim he's a charlatan you're the one that has to prove it.

I thought I'd field that one for you WOMBAI :-)

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dave is not the one making the allegations. You are. If you claim he's a charlatan you're the one that has to prove it.

I thought I'd field that one for you WOMBAI :-)

He is ALLEGING he can cure cancer (for a price) he is ALLEGING he can grown back amputated limbs (again you have to cross his palm )

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dave is not the one making the allegations. You are. If you claim he's a charlatan you're the one that has to prove it.

I thought I'd field that one for you WOMBAI :-)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't David tell the Nation on TV that he has traveled to the Sun?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dave is not the one making the allegations. You are. If you claim he's a charlatan you're the one that has to prove it.

I thought I'd field that one for you WOMBAI :-)

Well caught!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Ok, I'll wait until Friday when he's booted out and ask him for the proof.

You do that - but chances are - you will have to wait a little longer!

[Livia]

Chuff me dizzy... read my footer.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Chuff me dizzy... read my footer.

Wheres the kiss my ass smilie when you need it

[housemate]

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by housemate

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

Well said ,i have been trying to think of the other charlatans name all day ,he had blood on his hands and when the brown sticky stuff hit the whirly thing he killed dozens to cover up his wrong-doings ,sheer evil,IF Dave and his mob wanted to be "Born again Christians"as the claim they are (looks better on the CV than "cult leader") why not just nip along to any PROPER church on a Sunday morning where i am sure they would be made welcome

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

How does the OP think that the likes of Koresh, Jones or countless other Cult leaders managed to keep their groups going? The whole point of a Cults stucture is to appear harmless! They are not foolish enough to declare their accounts, methods and/or means of recruiting/funding etc.. although Dave does seem to be a looser cannon than most!
Look at Koresh, it took them years to pin any wrongdoing on him, in the end it came down to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to finally dig out a criminal offence!!
Is the OP suggesting that Koresh, Jones etc etc were just 'good ol boys' .. harmless untill they became responsible for mass atrocities ... equally, does the OP believe that the Families, who suffered the ostracism from their (now proven to be) financially exploited then slaughtered loved ones, would refute the cynanism and despair expessed toward Crowther and Dave?

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

100% right on your first point, 50% right on your second point, 0% right on your third!

As despicable as his "con man" behavior is, claiming to heal amputees etc, pretending like this is uncommon in Christian circles is willfully naive.

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

To compare Dave to Jones or Koresh is just unnecessary scaremongering!

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Dave is anything of the kind! Just more wild assumptions based on a few vids that, as most accept, are wide open to interpretation! The expression about mountains and molehills comes to mind! Sigh!

If these were medieval times - poor Dave would have been burned at the stake by now, without a trial, and simply based on some wild accusations from a few hysterical old women - with their own agendas!

..Koresh and Jones were defended in much the same way, using much the same arguments in their day.
Hysterical Old Woman? ... I'm younger than Dave and most definatly not hysterical. My 'agenda' is keeping my fingers crossed for Sam ... as explained to you earlier, I have a lot of money on Dave staying in this Friday ... my new Camera, bought from winnings will compensate me handsomly for the dissapointment ... if I lose my stake I consider it a fair price for the satisfaction.

[Beso]

the women in this thread need to tuck their gussets in, their flaps are showing.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

the women in this thread need to tuck their gussets in, their flaps are showing.

Just how old are you?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Incensed

Just how old are you?

old enough to realise a flap showing when I see one.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

old enough to realise a flap showing when I see one.

But let's be honest, you really let yourself down if you if the only way you can express yourself is by using comments like this. Actually, you're more to be pitied than scorned.

And yes, I know, I'm going on your ignore list.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Incensed

But let's be honest, you really let yourself down if you if the only way you can express yourself is by using comments like this. Actually, you're more to be pitied than scorned.

And yes, I know, I'm going on your ignore list.

Once i find something worthy of my expression you'll be first to know.

[stonedape]

And if you guys want to see a real cult of business that's sole intent is hijacking doctrine and taking your money, look up Scientology. I can guarantee you won't find a practicing Scientologist in a Big Brother house on this planet. Or on Youtube outside of heavily edited advertisements. Dave's group are just "alternative" Christians that don't fit in with the "mainstream". They make money off people, the formal church makes more money, they say crazy things, the formal church says crazy things. Not seeing a big difference besides aesthetics and familiarity.