[Cromwell1900]

[QUOTE=power2thepeople;4698436]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Harry also said on tonights show that he had been in the house longer than he had known his GF.... 7 WEEKS THEN. To think that Aaron has been with Faye for pretty much 6 weeks bearing in mind the intensity...unyet Harry seemed to mock the 'and he has himself a girlfriend'.....Aaron probably knows more about Faye than Harry does his GF!!!.

You have a very good point....I'm still genuinely unsure if he has some sort of 'showmance' gameplan but I do like Aaron precisely because he is so hard to read.
Having said this, IF he IS playing a game, he would surely have walked away and wiped that particular strategy given the hassles it has carried with it, so I do think a POSSIBLE gameplan has misfired into developing feelings.
I, myself, will hopefully make a clearer judgement IF he is separated from Faye in an eviction next Friday. Reason being, that is upset over Harry going was obvious......if he sheds tears for Harry, I will be interested how he reacts over himself or Faye going before the Final.

It's certainly possible his feelings have gotten in the way of his plan, but i'm still seeing his plan in action so i doubt it.

Also i wonder if the non stick drip stopped to look up and congratulate Faye for staying at any point. Be watching tomorrow for that.

[Gravedigger]

I liked Harry in the house but his comments were too flippant to work on BOTS. It was almost as if he'd devalued everything he'd experienced to the same low level.

As far as Aaron is concerned, I think for all the accusations of him being somehow fake because he's 'playing a game' (as others have said, if you're on a gameshow, playing a game is quite a good idea), his reaction to Harry leaving was totally genuine.

It is a shame that people cannot accept that just because someone is able to play a game it doesn't mean that everything they do is phony.

From what he said on BOTS, it seems Harry should be included in the group who don't entirely grasp that fact. Whilst it may be strategically good to have a relationship in the house, I think that Aaron probably does have some real and confusing (because they're real!) emotional stuff going on inside about Faye.

As for the "I love you" thing, Harry may be right that it would be "good for a few more votes" but it went out after lines closed tonight. The BB-obsessed master-strategist that Harry has painted Aaron as being would surely have worked out that such a late-night utterance would go out at the end of a highlights show, which on a Friday night would be after voting had finished!

Or maybe he just said it because he felt it...ooh, I'm so radical!

[Bojangles]

Harry said it as it is.Aaron has been watching every BB for years and studying it. He knows every move to make.Need a girlfriend get one. Need the gays vote act camp and so on.
Last night he was saying Faye and himself wanted different things,tonight he is suddenly in love with her.
What about Faye, he is using her to the hilt(Then again maybe not.Oh dear)
The girl is in for one almighty let down when she gets out of the house.

[fingers]

Erm..... yep, Aaron will marry Faye and sire 3 more offspring that he doesn't want AND buy her a Landrover that he definitely doesn't want!

[Kazanne]

I don't think Faye is part of Aaron's gameplan though and if she is then why did Harry say to her "I have seen nothing at all from him to indicate he is anything but genuine to you and you should ignore your mum and sister and follow your heart"

If Harry thought Aaron was playing with Faye then wouldn't that make Harry a really nasty person???

[paper-cut-exit]

Good ol'e Harry! now watch some Aaron fans hate him for saying that, and some Aaron fans now admit that indeed Aaron does have a gameplan, and say that it's ok to have a gameplan since it's a gameshow - instead of completely denying that Aaron has a gameplan like they did before

[fingers]

While Faye may not be part of his gameplan, she is most assuredly NOT going to be part of his life outside the house.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I liked Harry in the house but his comments were too flippant to work on BOTS. It was almost as if he'd devalued everything he'd experienced to the same low level.

As far as Aaron is concerned, I think for all the accusations of him being somehow fake because he's 'playing a game' (as others have said, if you're on a gameshow, playing a game is quite a good idea), his reaction to Harry leaving was totally genuine.

It is a shame that people cannot accept that just because someone is able to play a game it doesn't mean that everything they do is phony.

From what he said on BOTS, it seems Harry should be included in the group who don't entirely grasp that fact. Whilst it may be strategically good to have a relationship in the house, I think that Aaron probably does have some real and confusing (because they're real!) emotional stuff going on inside about Faye.

As for the "I love you" thing, Harry may be right that it would be "good for a few more votes" but it went out after lines closed tonight. The BB-obsessed master-strategist that Harry has painted Aaron as being would surely have worked out that such a late-night utterance would go out at the end of a highlights show, which on a Friday night would be after voting had finished!

Or maybe he just said it because he felt it...ooh, I'm so radical!

You seem to be covering all the bases there, ultimately you are questioning Harry's perception of Aaron, and to do that you need to criticize Harry, and Gem, and Gems mum.

Also if you think he was genuine in telling Faye he loves her, how do you explain a contra statement not 24 hours earlier when he said he did not see a future for them to BB. Truth is you can't in all sincerity. Nor can you deny the impact of Harry's confessions tonight in all sincerity.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by paper-cut-exit

Good ol'e Harry! now watch some Aaron fans hate him for saying that, and some Aaron fans now admit that indeed Aaron does have a gameplan, and say that it's ok to have a gameplan since it's a gameshow - instead of completely denying that Aaron has a gameplan like they did before

As I've said before, you can have a gameplan but it doesn't mean that everything you do is part of it.

I mean, I like wanking but it doesn't mean I spend all my time...oh, wait a minute...

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

As I've said before, you can have a gameplan but it doesn't mean that everything you do is part of it.

I mean, I like wanking but it doesn't mean I spend all my time...oh, wait a minute...

Now you sound like Jay!

[power2thepeople]

Originally Posted by paper-cut-exit

Good ol'e Harry! now watch some Aaron fans hate him for saying that, and some Aaron fans now admit that indeed Aaron does have a gameplan, and say that it's ok to have a gameplan since it's a gameshow - instead of completely denying that Aaron has a gameplan like they did before

Harry did exactly what I thought he would and I don't think any the less of him as he DID question him in the house to his face.
I've always reserved an opinion on a possible gameplan....never denied the possibility and stated that this is one of the things which keeps me interested in him as a HM......no about-face from me.......

[LJH23]

I think Aaron is playing a game but I don't think he's playing Faye, he knows the public won't like that.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by paper-cut-exit

Good ol'e Harry! now watch some Aaron fans hate him for saying that, and some Aaron fans now admit that indeed Aaron does have a gameplan, and say that it's ok to have a gameplan since it's a gameshow - instead of completely denying that Aaron has a gameplan like they did before

This is a bad day for the Aaron Fans please allow them to absorb the facts, then manipulate them as they see fit.

And there i will end my moan as i fear a Genuine penalty for my gob

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

You seem to be covering all the bases there, ultimately you are questioning Harry's perception of Aaron, and to do that you need to criticize Harry, and Gem, and Gems mum.

Also if you think he was genuine in telling Faye he loves her, how do you explain a contra statement not 24 hours earlier when he said he did not see a future for them to BB. Truth is you can't in all sincerity. Nor can you deny the impact of Harry's confessions tonight in all sincerity.

Well, to start with, I'm quite happy to criticise Jem and her mother, as I think their opinions are based largely on Faye's previous boyfriend(s) rather than Aaraon as an individual. This may be understandable but it doesn't mean it's entirely right. Also, I don't think Jem's motives are quite as noble as she sometimes liked to imply.

However, the crux of this (and it applies to Jem as well, to be fair) is that people are not generally one dimensional (although quite a few reality 'stars' seem to be trying to disprove this!).

If there's one area which confuses people, it's probably love/romance, especially people who like to feel they have a firm grip on their life and where it's going.

If we entertain the scenario that Aaron does have feelings for Faye, he may well feel "oh, there's no hope, she wants a Range Rover, it's all doomed!" one day and then the next realise that despite this he can't shake the fact that, actually, she still floats his boat.

If it were all so simple, there'd be a lot more happy endings in life...

And I'm totally aware that my current perceptions of the show could be wrong but that's half the fun of watching it! It evolves and challenges assumptions!

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by fingers

Now you sound like Jay!

I love the fact that this response came from someone called 'Fingers'! Perfect!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by LJH23

I think Aaron is playing a game but I don't think he's playing Faye, he knows the public won't like that.

He also knows that the public won't find out until AFTER he trousers the 100K

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I love the fact that this response came from someone called 'Fingers'! Perfect!

Takes one to know one! lol

[LJH23]

Originally Posted by fingers

He also knows that the public won't find out until AFTER he trousers the 100K

If he turns out to be a cock after the 100k then he wouldn't make as much as someone who finished 2nd and 3rd I'm afraid.

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

Well, to start with, I'm quite happy to criticise Jem and her mother, as I think their opinions are based largely on Faye's previous boyfriend(s) rather than Aaraon as an individual. This may be understandable but it doesn't mean it's entirely right. Also, I don't think Jem's motives are quite as noble as she sometimes liked to imply.

However, the crux of this (and it applies to Jem as well, to be fair) is that people are not generally one dimensional (although quite a few reality 'stars' seem to be trying to disprove this!).

If there's one area which confuses people, it's probably love/romance, especially people who like to feel they have a firm grip on their life and where it's going.

If we entertain the scenario that Aaron does have feelings for Faye, he may well feel "oh, there's no hope, she wants a Range Rover, it's all doomed!" one day and then the next realise that despite this he can't shake the fact that, actually, she still floats his boat.

If it were all so simple, there'd be a lot more happy endings in life...

And I'm totally aware that my current perceptions of the show could be wrong but that's half the fun of watching it! It evolves and challenges assumptions!

Ahh well as long as you are willing to evolve along with events then you really should of seen a different image of Aaron tonight imo, and not a different side to Harry.

Faye's mum will be fuming tonight after hearing what H had to say and likely feel like ram raiding the elstree studios to get her daughter away from the clutches of an accused Faye manipulator.

I know it's all for the game, i just think there are limits, and we are looking at them now.

[fingers]

Much as I detest the Palmer Klan, I do believe that they saw through Aaron's clever plan.

[saigon]

I don't even like Aaron but I respect his gameplan. Kinda reminds me of Boston Rob from Survior USA. Pick who you want to go up against in the final and take them all the way.

If Aaron manages to get Alex/Jay up this week he deserves to win.

He should be doing everything in his power to keep Faye Louise Tom in for the finals.

[pegson123]

if he truely thought that about aaron. than it proves he was a fake and gameplayer himself. and if didnt think and said that shows he is a fake and gameplayer. eitherway what a fake

[Cromwell1900]

Originally Posted by saigon

I don't even like Aaron but I respect his gameplan. Kinda reminds me of Boston Rob from Survior USA. Pick who you want to go up against in the final and take them all the way.

If Aaron manages to get Alex/Jay up this week he deserves to win.

He should be doing everything in his power to keep Faye Louise Tom in for the finals.

The American BB is pretty brutal i seem to remember from a series that aired on C4 a few years back.

A girl like Alex would be gobbled up and spat out. Nah not for me i'm afraid, i want to keep the reality in the game show.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

This is a bad day for the Aaron Fans please allow them to absorb the facts, then manipulate them as they see fit.

And there i will end my moan as i fear a Genuine penalty for my gob

A BAD DAY!!!..... Aaron got the most votes....how could you possibly percieve thsi as a bad day Cromwell....Today has been a victory!!!

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by pegson123

if he truely thought that about aaron. than it proves he was a fake and gameplayer himself. and if didnt think and said that shows he is a fake and gameplayer. eitherway what a fake

Not bitterness then....!!!