Originally Posted by Omah

Yeah, there's protest and there's taking the pi** ..... most of those making a midden outside of St Paul's appear to fall into the latter category .....

Have you been down to meet them, to enable you to make such a statement?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Fairness doesn't mean communism or anti-capitalist. It means fair.

I say this as someone who earns twice what our national salary is. I'm not a work shy, moaner. I'm someone advocating for fairness and everyone chipping in.

Fairness is on its way.
Barclays Today paid more Tax (they stopped the loophole)

13 years of Corrupt New Labour
and a Illegal Invasion War - We Ain't had Fairness
Bush and Blair - like lovers


Feel The Force

Originally Posted by arista

Fairness is on its way.
Barclays Today paid more Tax (they stopped the loophole)

13 years of Corrupt New Labour
and a Illegal Invasion War - We Ain't had Fairness
Bush and Blair - like lovers


Feel The Force

The Tories would have gone to war with Bush, too.

All parties become complacent with years of power. The scandals hitting the last Tory government towards the end of their last term were almost a daily occurrence.

That's just a fact, that is inarguable.

Bush and Blair are supposedly different sides of the political spectrum, and that's the problem. The whole political conversation has become a centre right discussion.

Arista, you really should take the time to read a different perspective to your own. The government should work for it's citizens, not the other way round.

[Ninastar]

I laughed at them being thrown out. Idiots

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The Tories would have gone to war with Bush, too.
All parties become complacent with years of power. The scandals hitting the last Tory government towards the end of their last term were almost a daily occurrence.
That's just a fact, that is inarguable.
Bush and Blair are supposedly different sides of the political spectrum, and that's the problem. The whole political conversation has become a centre right discussion.
Arista, you really should take the time to read a different perspective to your own. The government should work for it's citizens, not the other way round.

Thats something we Do Not Know
Corrupt New Labour Sexed up the Report
saying he could Bomb us - Fecking Lie

New Labour Feckers

Originally Posted by arista

Thats something we Do Not Know
Corrupt New Labour Sexed up the Report
saying he could Bomb us - Fecking Lie

New Labour Feckers

We are America's lap dog and when they say "jump", we ask politely "how high". The elected leaders make little difference. Thatcher would have followed Reagan till the ends of the earth, whilst she was busy taking milk from the mouths of our countries children.

Why are you so anti-labour? The Tories were equally corrupt. Livia will back me up on that.

The Tories are ****, and so are labour.

[arista]

"and so are labour. "

Who do you want running the UK?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Have you been down to meet them, to enable you to make such a statement?

Yes ..... have you, to enable you to make such a query ?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I say this as someone who earns twice what our national salary is. I'm not a work shy, moaner. I'm someone advocating for fairness and everyone chipping in.

So what are you doing about it ?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

We are America's lap dog and when they say "jump", we ask politely "how high". The elected leaders make little difference. Thatcher would have followed Reagan till the ends of the earth, whilst she was busy taking milk from the mouths of our countries children.

Why are you so anti-labour? The Tories were equally corrupt. Livia will back me up on that.

The Tories are ****, and so are labour.

I might not back you on that. Not entirely.

Regarding Thatcher and her relationship with Reagan... During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Reagan, initially keeping the USA well out of any side-taking by sending Haig backwards and forwards on a fruitless "peace mission", urged thatcher to call a ceasefire. Thatcher refused. Reagan was forced to give his backing to the UK. She was no lap dog. And this was twelve years after she abolished school milk. That happened in 1970 when she was Secretary of State for Education. The Tories having just come in to power had to make cuts because of the overspending by the outgoing Labour government. Sounds familiar...?

No political party will ever please all of the people all of the time. They can only please some of the people some of the time.

[arista]

Whats Important is I can Now walk through
No Punks ,No Stinks.


Life In The Fast Lane

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I laughed at them being thrown out. Idiots

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by arista

No Punks ,No Stinks.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

So What
Its been like that since before you were born.


These Punks Polluted that Public Walk Way
I had to walk another way as the Stink was to much.

They can still Protest so long as its not Near Public Walk Ways.


Anti Capitalist Scum - There is No Other Way in this World
Deal With It

The truth hurts and it stinks!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats something we Do Not Know
Corrupt New Labour Sexed up the Report
saying he could Bomb us - Fecking Lie

New Labour Feckers

I do think from history arista, it would have been totally unlikely that a Conservative govt would not have gone to war with the USA in Iraq too. I personally couldn't see a Conservative PM refusing to go along with a Republican President of the USA, they did in 1990/91 as to Iraq too.

Like Bush jnr, a Conservative govt would have also seized on the opportunity to complete the job started in 1990/91.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I do think from history arista, it would have been totally unlikely that a Conservative govt would not have gone to war with the USA in Iraq too. I personally couldn't see a Conservative PM refusing to go along with a Republican President of the USA, they did in 1990/91 as to Iraq too.

Like Bush jnr, a Conservative govt would have also seized on the opportunity to complete the job started in 1990/91.

But New Labour
False Claim they could Bomb the UK .


So No

Corrupt Blair and Bush

No you can not guess
and say others would be Corrupt as well


Its fecking New Labour

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I might not back you on that. Not entirely.

Regarding Thatcher and her relationship with Reagan... During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Reagan, initially keeping the USA well out of any side-taking by sending Haig backwards and forwards on a fruitless "peace mission", urged thatcher to call a ceasefire. Thatcher refused. Reagan was forced to give his backing to the UK. She was no lap dog. And this was twelve years after she abolished school milk. That happened in 1970 when she was Secretary of State for Education. The Tories having just come in to power had to make cuts because of the overspending by the outgoing Labour government. Sounds familiar...?

No political party will ever please all of the people all of the time. They can only please some of the people some of the time.

As ever I agree with most you say Livia, although I certainly would not have been a supporter of Margaret Thatcher, I do from all I have read and seen on TV think she did right with the Unions between 1979 and 1990, she was certainly a strong leader and took no nonsense, she stood up better to Europe on lots of issues and as to her relationship with Reagan, I think by and large she more often than not pulled the strings there anyway.Him needing her far more than vice versa.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But New Labour
False Claim they could Bomb Us.


So No

Corrupt Blair and Bush

No you can not guess.

I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq,I was though only 11 at the time so my opinion didn't matter.
I still think had Hague won the 2001 election that he would have supported Bush in that ideal especially to get rid of Saddam Hussain,some other seemingly uncompromising reason would have likely been thought up between them to justify it.

Originally Posted by Livia

I might not back you on that. Not entirely.

Regarding Thatcher and her relationship with Reagan... During the Falklands conflict in 1982, Reagan, initially keeping the USA well out of any side-taking by sending Haig backwards and forwards on a fruitless "peace mission", urged thatcher to call a ceasefire. Thatcher refused. Reagan was forced to give his backing to the UK. She was no lap dog. And this was twelve years after she abolished school milk. That happened in 1970 when she was Secretary of State for Education. The Tories having just come in to power had to make cuts because of the overspending by the outgoing Labour government. Sounds familiar...?

No political party will ever please all of the people all of the time. They can only please some of the people some of the time.

Perspective is biased by our own views, so I understand what you mean. However, you will surely back me up on the point that corruption in the last Tory government, ensured scandal after scandal towards the last days of their reign.

My wider point was contradicting Arista's assertion that corruption was the sole possession of the labour party. Whereas it isn't, it becomes rife in all political parties, the longer they maintain power.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq,I was though only 11 at the time so my opinion didn't matter.
I still think had Hague won the 2001 election that he would have supported Bush in that ideal especially to get rid of Saddam Hussain,some other seemingly uncompromising reason would have likely been thought up between them to justify it.

We found out after
Corrupt New Labour False Claim

Just because you were 11 , as nothing to do with this

[Kizzy]

Does anyone remember the supergun affair?.....why did blair think Iraq had WMD... Because maggie flogged them some.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

We found out after
Corrupt New Labour False Claim

Just because you were 11 , as nothing to do with this

I am not disagreeing with you arista,(would I ever),I believe the invasion of Iraq was wrong but I still doubt no mater what Govt was in power at the time, Labour or Conservative that the end result, by means fair or foul, would have been we supported the USA and Bush in that invasion.

It seems the only thing we can be sure of as to power in politics as to all the parties,(I include the Lib Dems in this too now), is that in fact likely it is having power that corrupts the integrity of all Govts, no matter what their political persuasion is.

As for these protesters, it seems they have only moved a short distance away now anyway so do we have to go throughall the hoo ha again and waste even more money on involving courts again.Let's hope not and that they can be persuaded to give up on this.

Originally Posted by Omah

So what are you doing about it ?

I contribute though my taxes. I also make donations to worldwide political organisations that are pushing for more progressive solutions to world events. Last year, for example, I flew over to Wisconsin to take part in fightback against an ultra conservative governor who stripped bargaining rights away from workers, after giving huge tax breaks to corporations.

I've visited many parts of the world to offer a pair of hands to work and help in the construction of village infrastructure.

I also chip in to a Pizza fund for the occupy movement.

My conscience is clear. I don't stand atop a mountain, looking down at poor people and sneer at them for not getting off their lazy arses. I involve myself in the things I'm passionate about.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Does anyone remember the supergun affair?.....why did blair think Iraq had WMD... Because maggie flogged them some.

We knew he certainly had likely the means and materials and his messing the UN inspectors about fuelled more suspicion definately although I do believe Mr Blair was very inventive with his presentation as to why we should support this invasion. Yes though, you are totally right,a lot was put Iraq's and Saddam Hussain's way from the UK govt especially at the time he was in conflict with Iran with the UK supporting him.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Does anyone remember the supergun affair?.....why did blair think Iraq had WMD... Because maggie flogged them some.

The UK arms industry is massive. We sell weapons to all sorts of people, no matter who is in power. Do you think that we don't sell weapons to tin-pot dictators when Labour's in the chair?