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InOne · 24-01-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yes, she did. During her convo with Nicola she admitted being in the wrong with what she did with Karissa. There could be any number of reasons she didn't go to Karissa, maybe missed out of the edit or simply trying to start a convo but K&K being very dismissive and not wanting to know. As evidenced in the episode.

But, IMO, if Karissa still wants to sit stewing over it all instead of discussing it in the open and getting it out the way like Nicola did then that's her own problem. Approaching Denise and letting her know (whilst sober) how much it upset her would have steered things.

Not to mention, IMO, Denise's crime isn't big enough to warrant a grovelling, begging apology. But an apology none the less, which she got.

But, that's what Karissa said. She said "I'll forgive you tomorrow, but right now I'm mad" or something so when Denise said she was sorry she left her be whilst reassuring herself "You'll forgive me tomorrow, it's fine" because she knew she'd wrecked the mood again.

Yeah but like the twins said, Denise was starting to talk to them as if nothing had happened. Surely she could've slipped it in then if she was talking to them anyway? I think Denise has deduced in her mind that she didn't do anything wrong and has probably already come up with excuses, which she was kind of doing with Nicola anyway bordering on the "they don't get me" theme. And Denise had a sly dig at the end of the ep also, when the twins seemed ok with her.

Marsh. · 24-01-2012, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah but like the twins said, Denise was starting to talk to them as if nothing had happened. Surely she could've slipped it in then if she was talking to them anyway? I think Denise has deduced in her mind that she didn't do anything wrong and has probably already come up with excuses, which she was kind of doing with Nicola anyway bordering on the "they don't get me" theme. And Denise had a sly dig at the end of the ep also, when the twins seemed ok with her.

But the twins weren't ok were they? We heard them talking before Denise went into the garden. They're not helping things by just responding to Denise's idle chit chat, if they are still upset they should tell her.

But, when talking with Nicola she was defending some of the things she said because of things like "I'm not like you" which Nicola took offence from, but Denise explained the context it was meant in.

iRyan · 24-01-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

But the twins weren't ok were they? We heard them talking before Denise went into the garden. They're not helping things by just responding to Denise's idle chit chat, if they are still upset they should tell her.

But, when talking with Nicola she was defending some of the things she said because of things like "I'm not like you" which Nicola took offence from, but Denise explained the context it was meant in.

They shouldn't have to ask her to apologize for the 2nd time. Denise should be mature enough to do it on her own.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

But the twins weren't ok were they? We heard them talking before Denise went into the garden. They're not helping things by just responding to Denise's idle chit chat, if they are still upset they should tell her.

But, when talking with Nicola she was defending some of the things she said because of things like "I'm not like you" which Nicola took offence from, but Denise explained the context it was meant in.

The twins bitch all the time anyway, it's what girls do. At least they were civil and didn't make a sarky comment like Denise.

And she was defending what she said about Nicola, but was still using the different words argument from the twins. And then tried to justify by saying how she does it with her friends and she assumed they were all friends so it was ok. She was just deflecting the blame as she normally does.

Kazanne · 24-01-2012, 10:50 PM

Actually someone made a very good point did they apologise to Frankie for their nasty remarks about him,No and not even a mention of one.Soon as they whizz off back to the good old US of A the better

InOne · 24-01-2012, 10:50 PM

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Actually someone made a very good point did they apologise to Frankie for their nasty remarks about him,No and not even a mention of one.Soon as they whizz off back to the good old US of A the better

What nasty remarks?

cell · 24-01-2012, 10:51 PM

The purpose of an apology is to acknowledge yourself in the wrong and learning from your behaviour. An apology can seem insincere but be true, or can seem sincere and be a lie. The point is to learn from your actions and admit you were wrong, the amount of dramatics and grovelling you put into it won't change if you truly mean what your saying or not. I know I am not a mind reader so whether Denise meant her apologies or not rests with her, not in my opinion.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cell

The purpose of an apology is to acknowledge yourself in the wrong and learning from your behaviour. An apology can seem insincere but be true, or can seem sincere and be a lie. The point is to learn from your actions and admit you were wrong, the amount of dramatics and grovelling you put into it won't change if you truly mean what your saying or not. I know I am not a mind reader so whether Denise meant her apologies or not rests with her, not in my opinion.

Telling her "you'll forgive me in the morning" doesn't seem too sincere to more, me like covering her back.

Glenn. · 24-01-2012, 10:53 PM

They were right on Bit On The Side last night, the idiot twin saw an opportunity of business and thought,"I'm gonna try and get something out if this", hence the threats of suing.

I don't care what anyone says, she was worried that she wasn't going to get paid for her arse being shown. Has no one seen the pictures of the pair of them online?

Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

They were right on Bit On The Side last night, the idiot twin saw an opportunity of business and thought,"I'm gonna try and get something out if this", hence the threats of suing.

I don't care what anyone says, she was worried that she wasn't going to get paid for her arse being shown. Has no one seen the pictures of the pair of them online?

Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

Same old argument to justify what Denise did

Glenn. · 24-01-2012, 10:57 PM

But its a true justification.

They are only in the house for that reason and for no other reason apart from that.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

But its a true justification.

They are only in the house for that reason and for no other reason apart from that.

Your logic is odd

So Denise has a right or more right to do it because of what they do for a living?

Glenn. · 24-01-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Your logic is odd

So Denise has a right or more right to do it because of what they do for a living?

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

As I've said before, her saying sorry then just looked like she was covering her back.

iRyan · 24-01-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

As I've said before, her saying sorry then just looked like she was covering her back.

This. She never gave a sincere apology even know she knew Karissa didn't like it. Karissa had to ASK Denise to apologize, and that was it.

Bojangles · 24-01-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

Yes and she's still doing it.48 hours further on.
If we don't get rid of them tonight,we'll have to eat sleep and drink this episode until Friday night.

Jake. · 24-01-2012, 10:59 PM

Did the twins apologize to Gareth? (If yes, ignore this post).

Sophiee · 24-01-2012, 10:59 PM

I wasn't surprised by this at all. she just saw it as a joke although it wasn't to karissa!

Jake. · 24-01-2012, 11:01 PM

If the twins had not have 100% blown it out of proportion and made her feel weak and reduce her to tears (along with Nicola), I could understand her apologising once more. But now? No.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JH95

If the twins had not have 100% blown it out of proportion and made her feel weak and reduce her to tears (along with Nicola), I could understand her apologising once more. But now? No.

Frankie blew it out of proportion, actually...

Jake. · 24-01-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Frankie blew it out of proportion, actually...

No, Frankie was calmly trying to get his point across. But with one of the twins (can't remember which) in the room undermiming him, ge couldn't whisper, let alone shout. One of the twins told Frankie it was none of his business, yet didn't complain when nosey Nicola jumped to their defences.

InOne · 24-01-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JH95

No, Frankie was calmly trying to get his point across. But with one of the twins (can't remember which) in the room undermiming him, ge couldn't whisper, let alone shout. One of the twins told Frankie it was none of his business, yet didn't complain when nosey Nicola jumped to their defences.

Calmly stirring the pot you mean. Nicola was just telling him it was none of his business and by that time her and Denise had kicked off anyway.