[Ramsay]

I gotta admire how he doesn't pussy-foot around anything..he told her if she ****ed up and posted anything about them on her facebook again he would shoot her laptop...she posted he shot it..what a guy

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niall

For those going against the father, he's posted this on his Facebook, and he's made an excellent point imo:



-Agrees in full-

That's all very well and good, however...

1) You have to take into consideration whether this deranged wanker is telling the truth, considering another one of his posts on there says that he isn't allowing his daughter to essentially 'give her side of the story' to the media. Beyond controlling if true...

2) This is only going to encourage more people to follow suit and act in the same way, with this piss poor parenting. And whilst his daughter may be fine with it...who knows, someone else might be psychologically affected by it, and who knows what could happen, suicide?

If she's cool with it, great. But that doesn't shy away from the fact that this arsehole has massively overreacted to something so very little in comparison.

[Shaun]

Eh, props to him. She sounded spoilt. Glad they've kinda resolved it - not sure making it public knowledge was appropriate, but if anything it hammers his point home about the pitfalls of social networking. Anyone can read it, and see all sorts of embarrassing stuff.

[Jessica.]

I don't think he intended it to go viral tbh, looks like it was just meant for her friends/their parents to see and it got out of hand. I think he could have dealt with it in a different way, though he must have been really disappointed after upgrading the laptop and then getting treated like that, she didn't deserve the laptop at all.

[Shaun]

-wants to shoot a gun now-

edit: not at you jessica LOL, just in general

[Tom4784]

She sounds like a spoilt brat but that was the most pointless thing I've ever seen, the man's obviously desperate for his 15 minutes of fame.

What I don't get is if you're trying to teach your kid the value of money then why spend so much on a cheap stunt? It's so hypocrtical it's unreal especially when you consider the fact that he's pretty much done, in a way, the same thing she did. Not a very consistent parent.

It's just a cheap stunt to make a quick buck and I don't respect him for that.

[Kizzy]

what kid doesen't moan about chores? you know thats what diaries were for when i was a teen...if she hid it maybe it wasn't for anyones eyes, or a private message to a friend?
what a div! feel sorry for the girl

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That's all very well and good, however...

1) You have to take into consideration whether this deranged wanker is telling the truth, considering another one of his posts on there says that he isn't allowing his daughter to essentially 'give her side of the story' to the media. Beyond controlling if true...

2) This is only going to encourage more people to follow suit and act in the same way, with this piss poor parenting. And whilst his daughter may be fine with it...who knows, someone else might be psychologically affected by it, and who knows what could happen, suicide?

If she's cool with it, great. But that doesn't shy away from the fact that this arsehole has massively overreacted to something so very little in comparison.

You know, your 'serious views' would be taken a lot more seriously if you didn't feel the need to pointlessly add 'wanker' and 'arsehole' into your views. And secondly, how can you even considered calling this man's parenting piss-poor? A lot of you youngsters today are a bloody spoilt generation who expect everything for nothing. To say he over-reacted, maybe he did, but I don't believe for a second he expected it to pan out the way it did. But we don't know both sides of the story.

And you say that somebody could be psychologically affected by it, which in turn could cause them to commit suicide? What a ridiculous statement, you could apply that to anything in life that could affect somebody and make them commit suicide.

[InOne]

Tommy Jordan
PS: CBS just called and offered us our own show. The ceiling of absurdity has just been reached

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

You know, your 'serious views' would be taken a lot more seriously if you didn't feel the need to pointlessly add 'wanker' and 'arsehole' into your views.

And why is that? Because you've bought into the notion of such words being unacceptable?

Regardless...I included them because he's infuriated me, and I believe those words correctly describe his attitude. I'm perfectly entitled to do that, I don't see how it can weaken any argument...they're words.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

And secondly, how can you even considered calling this man's parenting piss-poor? A lot of you youngsters today are a bloody spoilt generation who expect everything for nothing. To say he over-reacted, maybe he did, but I don't believe for a second he expected it to pan out the way it did. But we don't know both sides of the story.

Because it is piss poor. If you can't discipline your child the way most people do, i.e. preventing them from having access to certain things, going out etc...you know, the normal, sane way of doing things, and instead have to revert to publicly humiliating your own daughter, not only in front of her friends and family, but now in front of the entire world (whether that part was intentional or not...it still happened, and there was always a chance that it could have) and shooting bullets through her laptop (I mean...even saying that sounds idiotic) then you aren't capable of being a parent. He's an aggressive, power abusing bully as far as I'm concerned. Not only that...but he is acting like she has murdered his nan. Seriously, she got a bit frustrated with her home life, as I'm sure most teenagers do at some point...and so vented at her friends on her own personal, private Facebook about it. I'm sure most people have done such things and I doubt they mean everything they say most of the time. And his reaction to her use of words like 'piss' was just, well...stupid. The entire video seemed full of overreactions to me, culminating in the biggest overreaction of them all...taking a real gun and blasting holes through her laptop. That's just...laughable.

As for 'you' youngsters, I don't really appreciate that. I don't expect everything for nothing...just because some others may do, it doesn't mean that I do, please don't assume and group us all into one category and tar us all with the same brush. I'm actually of the belief that more people (not just children) need to learn their responsibilities as well as their rights, as in doing so we'd hopefully live in a safer, fairer community. But my views on that doesn't take anything away from the fact that this man is a lunatic. A lunatic with a seemingly big obsession with power.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

And you say that somebody be psychologically affected by it, which in turn could cause them to commit suicide? What a ridiculous statement, you could apply that to anything in life that could affect somebody and make them commit suicide.

Of course you could...but the stress and humiliation that this sort of thing could cause, especially on someone as young as 15 is unbelievable. She has been ridiculed and embarrassed by her own father (someone whom she should be able to look up to and love, and be one of very few people who she could trust not to do a thing like this). Maybe it's different for different people...but for me, if this happened, I would contemplate it. Millions and millions of people posting abusive messages across the internet about me, when they've never met me? Ridiculing me and all because of the fault of my own father? I'd feel like everyone was against me...I can't even begin to comprehend just how awful it would be. Essentially, whichever way you cut it, it's just one massive case of cyberbullying. It's disgusting.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She sounds like a spoilt brat but that was the most pointless thing I've ever seen, the man's obviously desperate for his 15 minutes of fame.

What I don't get is if you're trying to teach your kid the value of money then why spend so much on a cheap stunt? It's so hypocrtical it's unreal especially when you consider the fact that he's pretty much done, in a way, the same thing she did. Not a very consistent parent.

It's just a cheap stunt to make a quick buck and I don't respect him for that.

Originally Posted by kizzy

what kid doesen't moan about chores? you know thats what diaries were for when i was a teen...if she hid it maybe it wasn't for anyones eyes, or a private message to a friend?
what a div! feel sorry for the girl

Pleased a few adults share this view

[Kizzy]

excuse me a moment...im just going to shoot my sons lappy then i will get jezza kyles job, result!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jords

Pleased a few adults share this view

You and I both.

The rest...well, perhaps it's best if I didn't express that.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And why is that? Because you've bought into the notion of such words being unacceptable?

Regardless...I included them because he's infuriated me, and I believe those words correctly describe his attitude. I'm perfectly entitled to do that, I don't see how it can weaken any argument...they're words.



Because it is piss poor. If you can't discipline your child the way most people do, i.e. preventing them from having access to certain things, going out etc...you know, the normal, sane way of doing things, and instead have to revert to publicly humiliating your own daughter, not only in front of her friends and family, but now in front of the entire world (whether that part was intentional or not...it still happened, and there was always a chance that it could have) and shooting bullets through her laptop (I mean...even saying that sounds idiotic) then you aren't capable of being a parent. He's an aggressive, power abusing bully as far as I'm concerned. Not only that...but he is acting like she has murdered his nan. Seriously, she got a bit frustrated with her home life, as I'm sure most teenagers do at some point...and so vented at her friends on her own personal, private Facebook about it. I'm sure most people have done such things and I doubt they mean everything they say most of the time. And his reaction to her use of words like 'piss' was just, well...stupid. The entire video seemed full of overreactions to me, culminating in the biggest overreaction of them all...taking a real gun and blasting holes through her laptop. That's just...laughable.

As for 'you' youngsters, I don't really appreciate that. I don't expect everything for nothing...just because some others may do, it doesn't mean that I do, please don't assume and group us all into one category and tar us all with the same brush. I'm actually of the belief that more people (not just children) need to learn their responsibilities as well as their rights, as in doing so we'd hopefully live in a safer, fairer community. But my views on that doesn't take anything away from the fact that this man is a lunatic. A lunatic with a seemingly big obsession with power.



Of course you could...but the stress and humiliation that this sort of thing could cause, especially on someone as young as 15 is unbelievable. She has been ridiculed and embarrassed by her own father (someone whom she should be able to look up to and love, and be one of very few people who she could trust not to do a thing like this). Maybe it's different for different people...but for me, if this happened, I would contemplate it. Millions and millions of people posting abusive messages across the internet about me, when they've never met me? Ridiculing me and all because of the fault of my own father? I'd feel like everyone was against me...I can't even begin to comprehend just how awful it would be. Essentially, whichever way you cut it, it's just one massive case of cyberbullying. It's disgusting.

Your first point about the use of your words. You want a serious debate and to be taken seriously, then don't use those words. It wasn't an attack, more advice. Your opinion will be strengthened by cutting out the swear words. Using them in a debate can come across as childish.

Secondly to your point about 'you youngsters'. I actually said a lot of, not all, meaning that there are a many number of youngsters out there who do expect everything for nothing in the society in which we live today. If you take personal insult from that comment then maybe that says more about you.

Thirdly, again you are judging his actions based on what little of their lives you have seen. You don't know more about them, you can only merely speculate like the majority of us, yet you seem to make your speculation overly bias in favour of the daughter. Children and teenagers can be one of the most testing things in the world, something that most of us do not see until we grow up a bit. But to call his parenting bad; on what grounds do you base that on other than what little you know or have read from the internet?


And lastly, anything on the internet or in real life can cause psychological trauma, stress etc. I honestly think that if anyone contemplated suicide over this then they are either being overly dramatic or are in need of serious mental help. But maybe this story will wake a lot of the world up to just how volatile and unprotected the internet really is, but I sadly doubt it will.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

The fact that he's gone to these extremes suggest there was probably good reason for his daughter to feel the way she did, and she vented. She's 15. Disgraceful treating her like that.

No it's disgraceful she's treating her father like that. He puts food on her table, and buys her a laptop and spends money upgrading it, and she can't even do chores? Good on him.

[Jords]

Shes probably not treating her father in any way, just moaning about chores and being tired all the time..............

[Scarlett.]

"Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing."


Sounds like they had and still have a great relationship.

[Kizzy]

its odd, like columbo im thinking it doesen't add up, he said i found it..if he had her as a friend (which im guessing he was if monitering her facebook ) and she posted it he would just see it... whilst if he was 'fixing' her computer and it was in her deleted or private messages... This is going to have a major effect on her school life, i hope she has a thick skin to cope with all the flack from this.

[Jords]

She blocked him seeing that post and he hacked it somehow so he could view it [hes an IT expert].

Bit creepy that he checked up on her on FB. Nobody I know does that. Seems a bit too controlling.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Jords

She blocked him seeing that post and he hacked it somehow so he could view it [hes an IT expert].

Bit creepy that he checked up on her on FB. Nobody I know does that. Seems a bit too controlling.

Or logged off and checked her profile (If it was posted public)
Or another relative spotted it and told him

I seriously doubt he 'hacked it' and if you think he did, you know nothing about hacking.

How is he supposed to punish his daughter if grounding her, confiscating items or shouting at her doesn't get through? He admits he didn't mean for the video to go viral (he used Youtube cause FB has a rubbish player), and it's not like now that it is viral that he wants to make money from it (check his FB), he just wants everyone to forget about it. It sounds like his daughter took it very well, so good on her, the way he is raising her seems to be working fine.

Edit: And seriously? What's wrong with a father checking up on what his daughter is doing? It's more responsible than these parents letting their 8 year olds play Call of Duty online.

[Jords]

Shes 15 not 8.

[Kizzy]

I have both my 15 and 18yr old on fb and have in the past been furious with the eldest for posting on her wall about petty arguments we have had, which made me look a twonk to mutual friends and family. Yet if it was a pm to a friend i wouldnt know and not be bothered by. Can you block one friend seeing a post on your wall?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I have both my 15 and 18yr old on fb and have in the past been furious with the eldest for posting on her wall about petty arguments we have had, which made me look a twonk to mutual friends and family. Yet if it was a pm to a friend i wouldnt know and not be bothered by. Can you block one friend seeing a post on your wall?

I think you should all log off facebook and sort your issues out over a game of scrabble.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Jords

Shes 15 not 8.

and? It's still his responsibility to make sure she's not getting into any trouble. This is why so many kids grow up dysfunctional, they think as soon as they hit 15-16 they're adults, when quite simply, they're not, they're still irrational and emotionally unstable until they actually mature at around 19-21.

[Novo]

Anyone got a pic of the girl in question? if she's fat she is spoilt