[lostalex]

comparing palestine when Israel was created to London sounds crazy to me. The Palestinians were and are still very primitaive, infact Israel created the modern metropolises there now, they created the successful modern society there now. so comparing it to London being returned to the Romans is ridiculous.

Israel has created a modern western style democracy there. Israel has created a huge economy. To give it back to the Palestinians now would be like returning London to the Romans. That's a much more appropriate comparison. It would be like returning California to the Mexicans.

The Truth do you think that Australia should be given back to the Aboriginals? Do you think the USA should be given back to the American Indians? how would you even define Native american or aboriginal anymore anyway? ISn't everyone born to that land just as entitled to it? no matter what their skin color?

The ISraeli's there now, most of them were born there, spent lifetimes there, so it is their land.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

comparing palestine when Israel was created to London sounds crazy to me. The Palestinians were and are still very primitaive, infact Israel created the modern metropolises there now, they created the successful modern society there now. so comparing it to London being returned to the Romans is ridiculous.

Israel has created a modern western style democracy there. Israel has created a huge economy. To give it back to the Palestinians now would be like returning London to the Romans. That's a much more appropriate comparison. It would be like returning California to the Mexicans.

The Truth do you think that Australia should be given back to the Aboriginals?

give your house back to the bris who owned it 300 years ago. then Ill give mine back to the vikings or the romans. that makes it all fair and equal? insanity. it was always doomed to disaster and thats exactly how its turned out. the jews and arabs were just pawns in the global game.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

give your house back to the bris who owned it 300 years ago. then Ill give mine back to the vikings or the romans. that makes it all fair and equal? insanity. it was always doomed to disaster and thats exactly how its turned out. the jews and arabs were just pawns in the global game.

It's not a disaster though, it's the most successful country in the region. how can you say it's a disaster?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

give your house back to the brits who owned it 300 years ago. then Ill give mine back to the vikings or the romans. that makes it all fair and equal? insanity. it was always doomed to disaster and thats exactly how its turned out. the jews and arabs were just pawns in the global game.

umm, most houses are not 300 years old. that's my point. I live in an apartment complex built in the 70's. It wasn't built by Brits and it wasn't built by Mexicans, and it certainly wasn't built by American Indians. It was built by Americans in America. So if I was to give my house back to who built it, id be giving it back to Americans, not Brits.

[fruit_cake]

I always thought that Arabs and Jews hate each other so much because they're pretty much the same thing really.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I always thought that Arabs and Jews hate each other so much because they're pretty much the same thing really.

Yes

But Iran
is not Arab

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes

But Iran
is not Arab

Yes? You also think the jews and Arabs are basically the same thing? You shock me Arista.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes? You also think the jews and Arabs are basically the same thing? You shock me Arista.

No not the same thing
but Angry at eack other is what I mean


Sorry that was a Lazy Reply

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes

But Iran
is not Arab

if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...

[InOne]

Anymore updates?

[arista]

25th sept is one date


But its changing all the time.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

25th sept is one date


But its changing all the time.

what are you talking about? you've been spending too much time on ATS.

[BBfanUSA]

arista, Israel is just doing this because the world isn't paying attention to them. And don't believe Fox News or CNN. They only care for sensationalism. This is mostly all 24/7 news stations in America, they do it for the sensationalism. I watch the national news, it would be the opening story for NBC,ABC,CBS News. It isn't.

[arista]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

arista, Israel is just doing this because the world isn't paying attention to them. And don't believe Fox News or CNN. They only care for sensationalism. This is mostly all 24/7 news stations in America, they do it for the sensationalism. I watch the national news, it would be the opening story for NBC,ABC,CBS News. It isn't.

Yes I know
Israel are Angry
they feel Iran is going to Nuke Them
and say the have the right to prevent it.



It was on NBC
as a talking point



Of course FoxNews is not to be trusted 100%
But CNN America is.

[arista]

"My name is ALEX "


Sorry Alex.

[fruit_cake]

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together?

As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing. That's where the problem lies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together? As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing.

Iran has had other Nations helping their Nuke Industry.

Yes the people of Iran could be poor
its hard to know as Live TV cameras are rare,
Fox News sent Amy who is the London worker
once Live from Iran. That was amazing

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together?

As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing. That's where the problem lies.

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

What on earth are you talking about? I have jews in my family. Who said I wouldnt have sympathy for people nuked? I sympathised hugely when the americans nuked the japanese twice , killing a million and left leukemia behind for 50 years. I have sympathy for anyone embroiled in any war. Youre totally missing the point and changing the subject. the entire israeli project was not for anyones benefit but the rich. the jews and palestines were merely used as pawns in a very very dangerous long game.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

What on earth are you talking about? I have jews in my family. Who said I wouldnt have sympathy for people nuked? I sympathised hugely when the americans nuked the japanese twice , killing a million and left leukemia behind for 50 years. I have sympathy for anyone embroiled in any war. Youre totally missing the point and changing the subject. the entire israeli project was not for anyones benefit but the rich. the jews and palestines were merely used as pawns in a very very dangerous long game.

really? you think those palestinians blowing themselves up in the name of the cause and murdering israeli women and children, you think those suicide bombers are rich people?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? you think those palestinians blowing themselves up in the name of the cause and murdering israeli women and children, you think those suicide bombers are rich people?

some are rich some are poor? some are acting out of revenge for having their own wives and daughters blown up. and so the circle of violence spiraals onwards.... the number of deaths of palestinians is 100 to 1 the number of israelis killed. the americans have armed the israelis to the hilt with chemical and nuclear weapons. the deaths of any civilians in war is tragic, Im sure youll agree. the whole israel project was doomed from the start, anyone with a brain knew that then and they know that now.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

That isn't actually true:

The remarks are not out of context. They are wrong, pure and simple. Ahmadinejad never said them. Farsi speakers have pointed out that he was mistranslated. The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished.

He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The "page of time" phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon. There was no implication that either Khomeini, when he first made the statement, or Ahmadinejad, in repeating it, felt it was imminent, or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That isn't actually true:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

you are 100% correct, he was stating he wanted to see an end to this current regime. the far right tried to start world war 3 from this misquote. Talk about evil.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That isn't actually true:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

oops, yur right, he said, not only doesn't he want Isreal wiped off the map, but also ERASED from the pages of time and history... lol, cause that's SOOO much better.

If i was Israeli that would totally make me feel better when i went to bed... they want to erase me from history. lovely. lol such a peace loving nation that is OBVIOUSLY trying to find a solution... LOL

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

oops, yur right, he said, not only doesn't he want Isreal wiped off the map, but also ERASED from the pages of time and history... lol, cause that's SOOO much better.

If i was Israeli that would totally make me feel better when i went to bed... they want to erase me from history. lovely. lol such a peace loving nation that is OBVIOUSLY trying to find a solution... LOL

Read the section of the article I quoted. Very slowly.

Or if you'd rather also have a read of these:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/me...l-iran-rentoul
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...jun/14/post155
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html