Originally Posted by Sticks

But thanks to him we are not having to speak in German

If you'd put any leader in place, we'd have won eventually. The speeches may not have been as inspiring, and it may have played out differently, but the minute Hitler turned on Russia, there was only ever going to be one outcome.

America and Russia were the keys to us winning that war, not Churchills speeches, and I mean that respectfully. He gets extra respect for being on the nose bag continually.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

If you'd put any leader in place, we'd have won eventually.

Name one .....

Originally Posted by Omah

Name one .....

You really are bizarre. I give reasons to back up my point, and you want a specific name of someone who currently has no standing in history?

Churchill didn't fight the Germans on his own, and those young men in trenches were not fighting to stay alive because Churchill had said they would be fighting the enemy on the beaches.

If Hitler doesn't attack Russia, and America doesn't enter the war, we'd have been ****ed.

Churchill was the right figurehead at that time, but I don't accept he was largely responsible.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You really are bizarre. I give reasons to back up my point, and you want a specific name of someone who currently has no standing in history?

You made an unsubstantiated assertion ..... surely you can back it up with a suggestion from the existing political leaders of the time, apart from Neville Chamberlain, of course .....

[Nedusa]

Interesting last few posts, so what I am thinking now is that the UK was going to be irrevocably changed regardless of the outcome of WW2. Either part of a German speaking greater European empire or in hock to the yanks for the next fifty years, told what to do and when to do it . Told who to fight against and who to support. Flooded with fast food and a fast food culture.

Hmmm.... Interesting choice !!!

[Nedusa]

I wonder what our economy (GDP) and our National Debt would be now if we had not won the war ?

[Marc]

Can we stick to the topic in question please? the Falklands row.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You really are a tiresome bore, with a stunning lack of self awareness. Avoiding the issues over and over again, but pasting blocks of text. Don't confuse me calling out your bull****, as losing my cool.

I gave you one final chance to address my posts and you've swerved out of it in typical Omah-style.

Originally Posted by Marc

Can we stick to the topic in question please? the Falklands row.

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[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/1033203/ar...over-falklands

A group of the islanders, called Falklands United, responded on Friday to a letter by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner published in The Guardian and Independent in which she called for the UK to give up the Falklands.

They wrote: "Our home is a British Overseas Territory, not a colony as you seemingly wish to convince people.

"We have never been prouder of our association with the United Kingdom and our unique relationship.

"Any decision to change that would be OUR and not YOUR choice.

The Sun took out a full page advert in Argentina issuing a "hands off"

"In 1982 we didn't have a voice. In 2013 we do. We are OUR own people and we have a right to OUR own democracy and to where OUR sovereignty lies."

I won't argue with that .....

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2H6V42mKU

The British government accused Argentina of ‘intiimidating’ British cruise liners near the Falkland Islands, it emerged yesterday.

Six such incidents, where protestors or industrial action by militant unions have disrupted cruise liners bound for the Falklands, have occurred in the past two months.

Foreign office minister Hugo Swire blamed militants from Argentina for the threats, and condemned their actions saying they should allow passenger liners to travel safely to the islands.

It is understood that last month, the British Government ‘formally summoned’ the Argentine Ambassador Alicia Castro to protest against the incidents involving thousands of passengers since mid-November.

A fresh wave of fresh protests by Argentine nationalists was launched yesterday at two cruise liners docked in Buenos Aires after visits to islands, known in Spanish as Las Malvinas.

Protesters accused the Star Princess and the Seabourn Sojourn of stopping at provinces across the region, including the Falkland Islands and Tierra del Fuego, in violation of a provincial law.

The controversial ‘Gaucho Rivero’ law which is active in five provinces, prohibits British ships involved in the ‘exploitation of natural resources’ around the Falklands from docking.

If the Argies want an argy-bargy .....

[arista]

"Ms Fernández’s approval rating stands at 39%, down from 69% a year ago, according to Poliarquía, a pollster. "

Yes she spends to much time on our Falklands
while her own nation is a a mess.

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...o-stop-1521379

David Cameron is facing demands to stop giving taxpayers’ cash going to Argentina as it plots to claw back the Falklands.

The UK has handed Argentina Ł225million as part of international loans in the past 20 years, The Sunday People reports.

It’s our share of cash given by the World Bank through its aid subsidiaries.

Now the Prime Minister is facing an angry backlash from voters who want him to block any more money.

They are demanding he joins US President Barack Obama in voting against new handouts.

America said Argentina should not get more money until it did a better job of repaying loans dating back 20 years.

A petition organised by the Taxpayers Alliance pressure group has gone on Downing Street’s website.

If it gets 100,000 signatures the PM will be forced into a Commons debate.

Why successive governments keep on handing out money to countries which are not necessarily our "best friends" is anathema to me .....

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2HAOPzQCZ

ARGIE leader Cristina Kirchner is hiring a jet from a British firm after she was forced to ground her own luxury plane in a debt row.

She will splash out Ł622,000 on a Bombardier Global Express jet from charter company Chapman Freeborn for her tour of Asia.

The news is a massive embarrassment for the president — who regularly rants against British sovereignty of the Falklands and whose government has called for a boycott of British business.

It comes days after The Sun responded to her latest attack by printing a letter in a Buenos Aires paper, warning Argentina: “Hands off.”

Officially, Mrs Kirchner has been forced to find alternative transport after her Ł40million Boeing 757, codenamed Tango 1, was grounded for “technical reasons”.

The Ł30million Bombardier can seat 13 and has a stateroom with a bed, satellite wi-fi and even staff to serve drinks.

But sources revealed the real reason for the switch was fears that her own jet could be confiscated.

In October, Argentina’s ship ARA Libertad was seized in Ghana when US-based NML Capital — which claims it was owed Ł1billion — got a court order banning it from leaving port.

Argentina fears Tango 1 will suffer the same fate from any of a number of creditors if it touches down on foreign soil.

The move by Mrs Kirchner — slammed last year for using Tango 1 to take son Maximo to hospital with a sore knee — has caused fury among air charter companies in her own country who are banned from taking customers to the Falklands.

WITH vast wealth and extravagant tastes, Cristina Kirchner is nicknamed “the Queen” in Argentina.

One of Latin America’s richest leaders, she boasts a family fortune of Ł11.5million, a five-star hotel and many other assets. The average Argentinian earns Ł6,000 a year.Mrs Kirchner, 59, is said to have blown Ł70,000 on 20 pairs of Christian Louboutin shoes during an official trip to Paris in 2011.

And last October she was accused of spending Ł1million doing up one floor of her office. Much of her family’s property was acquired during Argentina’s military dictatorship from 1976 to 1983.

Mrs Kirchner worked as a lawyer at the time and has been accused of making a fortune as banks evicted thousands who could not pay mortgages. She has been mocked in the Argentine press and dubbed “Bimbo” and “Botox Evita”.

Who'd have thought that a South American "dictator" was corrupt .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2HAOPzQCZ



Who'd have thought that a South American "dictator" was corrupt .....

Who would have ever thought that Thatcher the dictator would align herself with Pinochet...and yet..
The sun, aka mad murdocks rag trying to muster the masses again?
Surely the public wouln't fall for the same trick?...

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who would have ever thought that Thatcher the dictator would align herself with Pinochet...and yet..
The sun, aka mad murdocks rag trying to muster the masses again?
Surely the public wouln't fall for the same trick?...

Why the Sun decided to publish an open (and inflammatory) letter in Argentina is another mystery to me .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

Why the Sun decided to publish an open (and inflammatory) letter in Argentina is another mystery to me .....

It is unbelievable! How/why they were allowed to get away with it is beyond me...
We have a delicate situation here, to be handled by those elected to represent us or experts in international relations used to delicate negotiations.
Why then is our gutter press issuing these bizarre and ridiculous demands via the media?
Whoever is responsible for that incitement should be held accountable for any repercussions.

[Shaun]

the most bafflingly unsubstantiated 'issue' I have ever seen so much time and debate devoted to... they want to be British, they don't want to be Argentinean. They are British. Literally the only claim I can see Argentina having is "it's closer to us than the UK", in which case I eagerly await Argentina's claim to Chile, Australia and Kiribati.

[Omah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8439971.html

David Cameron has warned that he is ready to fight another war with Argentina to prevent that country seizing the Falkland Islands.

He told BBC 1's Andrew Marr Show: "I get regular reports on this entire issue because I want to know that our defences are strong, our resolve is extremely strong."

Asked if Britain would fight to keep the islands, he replied: "Of course we would and we have strong defences in place on the Falkland islands, that is absolutely key, that we have fast jets stationed there, we have troops stationed on the Falklands."

The sabre-rattling starts .....

[Sticks]

How much does that cost the UK tax payer?

What could we do with that money if re returned Las Malvenas?

[Nedusa]

Realistically the only way Argentina is ever going to get the Falkland Islands back is by using force. But as Britain keeps one of its Trident Submarines in the South Atlantic well within range of Argentina, and as each Trident Nuclear Submarine carries up to 8 - W88 100KT Thermonuclear Warheads (all independently targetable) ,I don't think this is going to happen anytime soon.....do you ???