[EmilyJ]

He looked pretty wasted in the papers today. If that photo was taken 2 hours beforehand then I wouldn't have liked to see what he looked like when the alleged offence took place.

[bonnie43uk]

Originally posted by Blanket&Crib

LOL, are you actually being serious or just jesting??

Yes.. i've seen mugshots of them on Crimewatch.

Dont have nightmares!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bonnie43uk
Yes.. i've seen mugshots of them on Crimewatch.

Ee and all along we thought it was Shahbaz who was the nutcase! And now it comes out that the HM's should be wary of Sing-a-long Glyn and Queen Michael!

[Smeggypants]

more media BS

[James]

Don't know whether to lock this thread or not...

But a lot of people seem to be sure of the facts of the case already.

You wonder how there could be a fair and unpredujiced trial when so many people have already formed their opinion based on watching someone on a TV show. And also already knowing about the previous allegation - which will colour opinions also.

[Lauren]

Is there ever really such thing as a fair un-biased trial, to be honest?
Every trial is tainted by even the faintest of opinions. And the saying "Innocent until proven guilty" is so much less true these days

PS. I like your avatar James

[albie]

Of course I don't think a woman being raped is funny. I hate rapists. I was happy because this lends credence to my belief that he is a rapist. I was laughing at all the Sezer fans who have defended him. And continue to defend him.

Now they have to rethink.

If they don't develop even a shred of doubt over his innocence now then that is an evil amount of stubborness. It's the old messageboard argument thing. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong so long as you win the argument.

We're all guilty of it.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by albie
Of course I don't think a woman being raped is funny. I hate rapists. I was happy because this lends credence to my belief that he is a rapist. I was laughing at all the Sezer fans who have defended him. And continue to defend him.

Now they have to rethink.

If they don't develop even a shred of doubt over his innocence now then that is an evil amount of stubborness. It's the old messageboard argument thing. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong so long as you win the argument.

We're all guilty of it.

I'm by no means a sezer fan, and many people in this thread aren't either. Do you hear them accusing him of being a rapist?

There is something in this country called democracy, we're not in in a country where they'd hang draw and quarter Sezer. Whether you like Sezer or not, show us that you're a grown up, not a petty boy who wants his fans to become heroes and his enemies to be sliced into bits accidently, and use the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" Would you like it if someone accused you of being a rapist and people would throw stuff at you in the streets? When they don't know the truth for sure?

[hass]

he was probably drunk, hes pulled her, took her back to some hotel for some nookie and shes cried rape because hes just been in bb, knowing full well that she will get publicity for it!

dont believe everything you read in the papers or online!

[albie]

Edwin- I'm not a judge. I'm just another poxy BB forum nobody. If I ever became a judge I would of course let the evidence speak for itself.

BUt come on. Two allegations of rape?

Would you let him baby sit your kids? would you leave him alone with your girlfriend?

Of course not. Hence you think he's guilty too. I don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. And the law doesn't work that way either.

As for Hass. Well, who would want publicity like this? Famous for being raped? Come on.

Now, let's all drop it until we find out what is going on.

[Edwin]

Originally posted by albie
Edwin- I'm not a judge. I'm just another poxy BB forum nobody. If I ever became a judge I would of course let the evidence speak for itself.

BUt come on. Two allegations of rape?

Would you let him baby sit your kids? would you leave him alone with your girlfriend?

wouldn't feel comfortable. But some of the things you have said is just way off.

Originally posted by albie
Of course not. Hence you think he's guilty too. I don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. And the law doesn't work that way either.

It does.

Originally posted by albie
As for Hass. Well, who would want publicity like this? Famous for being raped? Come on.

Now, let's all drop it until we find out what is going on.

Well, you get people who tell the police that they're murderers when they aren't, what makes you think that someone wouldn't do this?

[DizzyLizzy]

I think this is a really sensitive subject....maybe we shouldnt comment until we know the full story
after all the Sun is such a load of rubbish

[albie]

Originally posted by Edwin

wouldn't feel comfortable. But some of the things you have said is just way off.

It does.

Well, you get people who tell the police that they're murderers when they aren't, what makes you think that someone wouldn't do this?

What is 'way off'?

And you are telling me that Sezer has just been unlucky enough to meet and date TWO mad girls? Both he took to a hotel? Ever heard the term Modus Operandi? These people follow a pattern.

And we do lock up alledged criminals.Handcuff them. Not all of them get bail. And none of them are allowed to leave the country. Doesn't sound like treating someone as innocent to me.

Do you believe those lads killed Steven Lawrence? Did you believe it as soon as you saw them?

I bet you did.

I bet you still believed they were guilty when they were found to be innocent in a court of law.

[Sidrat2006]

Our reporting laws are so much better than those in America, where media coverage is to all intents and purposes unrestricted.

How is a jury pool selected? Will this case ever get to a jury? Will that jury decide on the evidence presented at the trial?

Should trials be reduced to laywer tactics and presentation? As for the bail issue it does seem to work against the ethos of "Innocent until proven guilty", I believe bail is rejected if their is sufficient reason to suggest the person is a flight risk or danger to himself, other people or witnesses. I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong, that does sound adequate.

[lacey_gracey]

i dont think sezer is that stupid. people do this sort of thing all the time. they over exaggerate to get money like footballers. they can get a massage somewhere and then somehow it turns out that they went to a brothel i dont think it is true because if the allegations from the last time were true then they wouldnt have let him in the house in the first place

and also wouldnt he have shagged imogen? rather than raping some page 3 model?

[devilsadvocate]

two questions.......is there smoke without fire?(ex-bb house mates have one -night stands all the time because of there so-called fame but sezer is the only one to be alleged of raping some-one......twice!!!!) and is the truth stranger than fiction????.........(alot of people like sezer and are a bit too quick to dismiss this story as some loose woman trying to make money,the real question is if he is guilty,how many other women are there who were too scared/embarrassed to come forward and report it as most of rapes never get reported).

a few weeks ago i read a story in a reputable london newspaper about a reporter who was set-up to go on a date with sezer,she got a bit tipsy and within a few hours of meeting this woman he was stroking her leg and telling her that if he did'nt have a party to go to he would take her to a hotel and "sleep with her" ..........it seem as if sezer is his own worst enemy!!!

[Ruth]

Originally posted by GlitterEyes
I don't know why he asked her back anyway considering he was meant to be waiting for Imogen and her going back without thinking he just wants to share a coffee is odd lol. If she is invited to a hotel then it surely wont just be for coffee.

He's probably given up on Imogen after seeing her with Mikey. Besides which I think he only said that he would wait for Imogen, because he thought it would look bad if he said that he just tried it on with Imogen to enhance his chances of staying in the house, which I think is nearer the truth (obviously I can't read Sezer's mind, but all the housemates are so publicity hungry this year that I think pretty much anything they do is just to get people talking about them and keep them in the house - obviously it backfired in Sezer's case).

[Ruth]

Originally posted by devilsadvocate
two questions.......is there smoke without fire?(ex-bb house mates have one -night stands all the time because of there so-called fame but sezer is the only one to be alleged of raping some-one......twice!!!!)

Well it might be that Sezer is an easy target after already having been previously accused of rape, which might be why that woman said that. She could be telling the truth, but why sell your story to a newspaper? Perhaps money was a motivation for her? And let's not forget, there was no evidence to support the first woman's allegation, and there was evidence that she had been harassing him and pestering him, contrary to what she had said.

Originally posted by devilsadvocate
and is the truth stranger than fiction????.........(alot of people like sezer and are a bit too quick to dismiss this story as some loose woman trying to make money,the real question is if he is guilty,how many other women are there who were too scared/embarrassed to come forward and report it as most of rapes never get reported).

Not an issue for me - I didn't like Sezer at all! However, the law in this country is still innocent until proven guilty, and I'm not prepared to hang someone out to dry based on a story sold to tabloid trash. The papers love a witch-hunt, and as I said before, Sezer is an easy target, due to the previous allegation. And let's face it, there is every possibility that it is a case of "loose women trying to make money."

Originally posted by devilsadvocate
a few weeks ago i read a story in a reputable london newspaper about a reporter who was set-up to go on a date with sezer,she got a bit tipsy and within a few hours of meeting this woman he was stroking her leg and telling her that if he did'nt have a party to go to he would take her to a hotel and "sleep with her" ..........it seem as if sezer is his own worst enemy!!!

What Sezer was doing on that occasion was no different to what loads of men and women do every weekend. Did it say that she tried to resist him and he tried to overpower her? Obviously not. And can I ask - what do you mean by a reporter who was set up to go on a date with him? You mean it was a set up to try and catch Sezer out? Because if that is the case, then this newspaper can hardly be reputable.

[Nowhere]

well said Ruth !

[Deep2]

Originally posted by kittykat321
the girl is a well known page 3 model so is no doubt earning alot more than sezar does, so isnt doin it for the money or to get in the paper as shes in it everyday anyway..
and they go to a hotel as sezar stays with his mum, dt thk shed like sezar bringing home girls every other night

he always seemed a sleaze ball in the house, so i wldnt be surprised if it was true..
the girl didnt go to the sun the police realesed a statement i think

So being a sleaze ball and the fact it is a richer page 3 girl makes Sezer a rapist?

[Bells]

This has been circulating for a while now....I read a post about it right here a few weeks ago in fact.

I expressed all my thoughts about it then. What's happening right now, does anyone know?

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Sharj
I'm not suprised one bit! I bet it's true has Sezer was a complete womanising perv! Oh and he also tried to rape the girls Shereen from the girlband 'Mrs. Robinson' before he went in the house.

how do you know that? Were you there?

[glyn2win]

maybe the page 3 model whoeva she is new about the allegations before hand and thought if she used them then people would believe her because this is the secound time round. also the hearing is the day before the finale do you think he will go?

[Siouxsie]

just have to wait and see maybe this bb lark has all gone to his head and thinks women cant resist him

[GlitterEyes]

I expect we shall not see Sezar at the final or the after party.