[Mrluvaluva]

It must be extremely hard for addicts to try and turn their lives around and stop drinking. The desire and temptation will follow them for the rest of their lives and they will never be free of it. If they really want to overcome it though then I think they should be given every bit of help available. Where should the line be drawn?

[Novo]

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Novo

That's not even one of the 5 we're about to remove!

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Claymores

That's not even one of the 5 we're about to remove!

[Mrluvaluva]

Paul Gascoigne*is said to be recovering in hospital following a bad reaction to alcohol withdrawal.

Read more:*http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...ixzz2KWQauliV*

[lostalex]

wait, paul glasjirefiunsgriu won the super bowl? what?

[the truth]

too many ex addicts are given too many positions of responsibility imho...id rather have experts in the field with good values and experience fo livinga cleaner better life

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21401141

Gascoigne, 45, was taken to hospital after suffering a bad reaction while in Arizona where he is receiving treatment for alcohol addiction.

But his long-term psychotherapist Dr John McKeown said "The hospital has reassured me that he is up and about walking,".

Dr McKeown, who has worked with Gascoigne for more than 10 years, added: "Paul has experienced severe complications with his detoxification.

"This is not unusual for someone who has been drinking as heavily as he has.

"Paul was transferred from the US Clinic Cottonwood to a local hospital to be monitored so as to be completely satisfied that there are no other complications to his health.

"There are no fears for his life. We will aim to keep everyone concerned updated on a regular basis."

Gascoigne's former captain at Tottenham Gary Mabbutt told BBC Sport that he could be discharged in "the next day or two".

"He was put in intensive care where they monitored him," said Mabbutt. "But it wasn't a life-threatening situation and he's now in recovery. He will hopefully be leaving hospital in the next day or two and returning to the clinic to carry on the treatment to his problems."

Just another "scare", then .....

[thesheriff443]

deal with your addiction or die!,
just beacuse you where once was famous for being a half decent footballer dont make you better than any other addict who wont fight their addiction.

[Glenn.]

-checks my Death List 2013 nominees-

[Glenn.]

Just checked it and I didn't even list him

[joeysteele]

Cirrhosis is an irreversable condition of the liver that gradually gets worse until it reaches the final stage and then it is likely death will occur unless a transplant is possible.

A complication of it is that as pressure builds up in the portal vein it can cause bleeding from veins in the oesophagus,those internal bleeds can obviously be fatal too.

Abstention from alcohol is the only way to help survive longer with cirrhosis,however the damage to the liver is permanent, whereas in other conditions the liver can rejuvinate itself but not in cirrhosis.

The usual conditions for a transplant of a liver, when there are livers available are that you have to have been abstaining from alcohol for a good number of months and preferably a year or more.
With cirrhosis your health rarely improves much as you are always likely to find you will have other complications such as enlarged spleens, anaemia and problems with platelets in your blood.

It is a very hard road, firstly to come off alcohol, then to stay off alcohol and indeed certain drugs too,things like paracetamol for instance,are not liver firendly and also when the liver is only working on its reserve,toxins are not removed from the body effectively by it and they can get into the blood stream and cause confusion and memory problems too when they get to the brain.

So Paul's road begins with getting off alcohol and keeping off it, then doing the best you can to help the remaining working part of the liver by dietary means and medication,however liver failure will be the eventual outcome.

So it would seem this is where Paul is at this time,so he will need to prepare himself for a transplant likely some time in the future.
Without that, the prognosis of end stage liver cirrhosis is a grim picture sadly.

From what I have read as to his going into this clinic for treatment and help, it would seem this is the last chance for him likely now, I really hope he does sieze it and I also hope it goes okay for him.

I also hope if he does reach the stage where a transplant is needed in the future and that he gets one, that he will respect that liver and not abuse it in any way afterwards.
I would like to see that outcome for him,he will need massive support though to succeed in beating this.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cirrhosis is a n irreversable condition of the liver that gradually gets worse until it reaches the final stage and then it is likely death will occur unless a transpalnt is possible.

A complication of it is that as pressure builds up in the portal wein it can cause bleeding from veins in the oesophagus,those internal bleeds can obviously be fatal too.

Abstention from alcohol is the only way to help survive longer with cirrhosis,however the damage to the liver is permanent, whereas in other conditions the liver can rejuvinate itself but not in cirrhosis.

The usual conditions for a transplant of a liver, when there are livers available are that you have to have been abstaining from alcohol for a good number of months and preferably a year or more.
With cirrhosis your health rarely improves much as you are always likely to find you will have other complications such as enlarged spleens, anaemia and problems with platelets in your blood.

It is a very hard road, firstly to come off alcohol, then to stay off alcohol and indeed certain drugs too,things like paracetamol for instance,are not liver firendly and alsowhen the liver is only working on its reserve,toxins are not removed from the body effectively by it and they can get into the blood stream and cause confusion and memory problems too when they get to the brain.

So Paul's road begins with getting off alcohol and keeping off it, then doing the best you can to help the remaining working part of the liver by dietary means and medication,however liver failure will be the eventual outcome.

So it would seem this is where Paul is at this time,so he will need to prepare himself for a transplant likely some time in the future.
Without that, the prognosis of end stage liver cirrhosis is a grim picture sadly.

From what I have read as to his going into this clinic for treatment and help, it would seem this is the last chance for him likely now, I really hope he does sieze it and I also hope it goes okay for him.

I also hope if he does reach the stage where a transplant is needed on the future and that he gets one that he will respect that liver and not abuse it in any way afterwards.
I would like to see that outcome for him,he will need massive support though to succeed in beating this.

Are you a doctor?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Omah

Are you a doctor?

No, but one of my Uncles is a consulatant hepatologist.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, but one of my Uncles is a consulatant (sic) hepatologist.

I wondered when I couldn't find out what a "portal wein" was .....

I rather think you should have mentioned your source rather than pretend to know all about it .....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Omah

I wondered when I couldn't find out what a "portal wein" was .....

I rather think you should have mentioned your source rather than pretend to know all about it .....

Rather childish to point out a typing error, Omah, very below the belt, also since I like to use my own words and my own knowledge gained from talking to people who do know about these things rather than fill the forum with newpaper cuttings.

Perhaps you are right that I should have mentioned that I talked to my Uncle on this issue, he was staying with me yesterday and he is a great admirer of Paul Gascoigne and since I have posted on here on Paul's illness on this thread,I got talking to him as to Paul's likely condition.
So interested in the issue was I that we talked for hours as he explained and 'educated' me as to the likely condition of Paul. So in the end I did gain the knowledge for myself and therefore shared it, never ever stating either that I am an expert on the subject though just sharing what I had learned.

So to everyone reading this post,since Omah has pulled me up again, the post I made above was made after talking at length to a very knowledgable relation of mine who I learned a great deal from as to this subject.

Someone earlier in the thread, I think it was kizzy said something about not being sure of cirrhosis on some points, so although she likely knew a fair bit I feel sure she at least would be interested in parts of the post I made.

We all learn in life Omah, that is in fact where our knowledge on matters comes from, from learning from someone else,that is what I have done and even my knowledge of politics and law comes from learning from others and experiences of going searching for myself for facts as I chose to do with my Uncle on this issue too.

In the end though, because I gain that knowledge, rather than just copy and post what I read,I can then be able to speak about what I learn in my own words,not being offensive but maybe you could try that some time too.
All best wishes to you but I would prefer really if you ignored me as I generally do you Omah especially if you can only be sarcastic and attempt to belittle other people.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, but one of my Uncles is a consulatant hepatologist.

good stuff joey - so you're virtually a consultant. My cousin's husband is a GP - when can I start handing out the meds?

[Kizzy]

The prognosis is better if you can abstain and change your lifestyle as this lady has..
http://www.webmd.boots.com/a-to-z-gu...hree-years-now
"I stopped drinking alcohol completely and haven't touched a drop for three years now. Doctors thought I would need a liver transplant but, remarkably, it has regenerated and functions really well now''

It is a tall order for paul.

[Shaun]

only on TiBB could a thread about Paul Gascoigne deteriorate into petty comments about members' uncles.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Shaun

only on TiBB could a thread about Paul Gascoigne deteriorate into petty comments about members' uncles.

I agree it is ridiculous.
It is why I left my Uncle out of the equation Shaun, my Uncle is not a member and will never be likely.
I don't have to however prove anything to Omah as no one else on the forum has to either, as I am pretty sure you would more than likely not agree with that too.

[Ammi]

..a member has taken the time to ask and learn about something from someone who has valid medical experience, rather than just copy and paste an article...whatever is felt about the topic or Paul Gascoigne himself and his case, I think it should be shown some respect that Joey has done that....

[Niamh.]

There are plenty of people who believe you and are interested in hearing your experiences Joey, just ignore the rest

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There are plenty of people who believe you and are interested in hearing your experiences Joey, just ignore the rest

Thank you Niamh, I can prove to you and other Mods that I am correct in what I am saying.
Thank you for that Niamh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you Niamh, I can prove to you and other Mods that I am correct in what I am saying.
Thank you for that Niamh.

You don't need to do that, I have no doubt that most people who know you on here, don't doubt you for a second

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you Niamh, I can prove to you and other Mods that I am correct in what I am saying.
Thank you for that Niamh.

..you don't have anything to prove to anyone Joey...your opinion/views are always very much respected...and always gained from researching from good sources...well done on your post..and having that chat with your uncle..!!...