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Old 16-08-2013, 01:47 AM #1
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He chose it because it is considered to be a lucky number to the Chinese. Therefore it was the highest available number that contained 8s.

It would have seemed strange to me but my wife predicted that he'd pick that amount due to it being lucky, so I believe it.
Thats a cover up and its ridiculous people bought it. He had the choice of absolute certainty of staying vs lucky numbers. How stupid do you think he is?
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Thats a cover up and its ridiculous people bought it. He had the choice of absolute certainty of staying vs lucky numbers. How stupid do you think he is?
Again, as he isn't stupid he'd likely have sussed that something was amiss. Hence picking a lucky number because there's no real logic to it. If he picked a safe number he'd still be up for eviction, pick a low number and you might be evicted. With those odds, you'd want to be lucky.
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This is a very detailed post about exactly what happened. The twins aren't innocent either though.

I think everybody knows this is exactly what happened, its only Dexter fans that have either misunderstood the concept or are still in denial about the whole thing.
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Dexter has been caught out as a con man, which is no surprise really. It is as clear as day that Dexter wanted to take the money and run. I was able to see and assimilate all the numbers on the board quickly and I wasn't even in the room. They each had plenty of time to choose.
As each HM came into the room one by one, the amount they had chosen disappeared from the board. Sam chose 100k - it was blacked out. The twins would have seen the 100k was gone and they chose 96 something K. Which means they also were trying for the money if the 2 to come after them went higher. The amount they took was then blanked out. With me so far?

Dexter came next and although there was still 99k left, and 4 or 5 other amounts in the 90k range, he chose 88k. Now, if he had really wanted to stay, why didn't he chose the highest number still available? He said he didn't see the 99k, which of course he waffled around, but what about the other numbers in the 90k range? Didn't he see ANY of them?
Then he changes his story and says he thought someone would take a £1. Immediately you can see he regrets digging an even deeper hole for himself.

When the amounts are revealed, he acts as if he is upset. Then when BB says, 'However, Dexter will not receive the money' his eyes dart about in a panic. A few moments pass and he says' thank god'. Why would he say that if he thought he was going to be leaving with nothing? BB hadn't told him he was safe yet. Didn't he say he wanted to stay?

Then comes the relief when he finds out he is safe from eviction and the tears were a genuine reaction to that and not because he had to pick a HM to evict.
Well said! My hope now is being exposed as the sniveling lying nasty "scrotum" (as Iris astutely pointed out) will prevent him from winning.
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If he made sure he was staying he knew it would be at the expense of Charlie going, who he obviously has a crush on, and she'd feel betrayed that way then. But he didn't wanna go either, so he went high while still giving room in the hopes maybe each board had been different or whatever. They claim not to care about the money so why they get so upset if he had it anyway? They left Dexter with a tough choice, get evicted or force Charlie out for an even higher amount of the prize fund, so he just picked a number he had in his mind already.
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I cant believe that I am reading this drivel. Dexter was faced with an offer he couldn't refuse and he took it. He was clever enough to work it all out and therein lies the rub. The problem is that the fool was caught with his pants down when it backfired and he did what he has done all his life, he tried to lie his way out of it. I didn't see the 99k, was his first lie, I thought someone would take the £1 was his second then what followed was a confusing account of lucky number crap about 4,s and 8,s.

The trouble is that the small man syndrome has been with him for so long, he feels compelled to lie or cheat in everything he does. His persona is despicable and it does not matter whether he wins, looses or draws, he will never be successful in life and a vote to secure his win is a vote to promote deception for someone who has played a good game but more importantly has played the public and that is just simply wrong. IMO
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I cant believe that I am reading this drivel. Dexter was faced with an offer he couldn't refuse and he took it. He was clever enough to work it all out and therein lies the rub. The problem is that the fool was caught with his pants down when it backfired and he did what he has done all his life, he tried to lie his way out of it. I didn't see the 99k, was his first lie, I thought someone would take the £1 was his second then what followed was a confusing account of lucky number crap about 4,s and 8,s.

The trouble is that the small man syndrome has been with him for so long, he feels compelled to lie or cheat in everything he does. His persona is despicable and it does not matter whether he wins, looses or draws, he will never be successful in life and a vote to secure his win is a vote to promote deception for someone who has played a good game but more importantly has played the public and that is just simply wrong. IMO

we know he lied, the housemates know he lied....and Dexter himself knows he lied.
Don't need endless amounts of diatribe to convince ourselves. We are the lucky ones.
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we know he lied, the housemates know he lied....and Dexter himself knows he lied.
Don't need endless amounts of diatribe to convince ourselves. We are the lucky ones.
Very very WELL SAID. I do feel very lucky indeed to be on the side of common sense
That's why I'm not bothering to post about it any more.
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Very very WELL SAID. I do feel very lucky indeed to be on the side of common sense
That's why I'm not bothering to post about it any more.
And as well all know, the common sense of the majority doesn't make much sense at all.

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Dexter would be a pretty terrible gambler if he based his strategies on "4's and 8's", it's all bull - he absolutely saw all the numbers on that board and everyone here knows it.
He is a terrible gambler, he ran up millions in gambling debts. Just because you're crap at something doesn't mean you don't keep the same mentality. That's why addiction is so dangerous, it locks you in to the same patterns. He's a recovering addict, but still has the same hard wired mentality to betting and luck situations in daily life, hence his approach to the money boards.

People don't like to think critically about the mentalities of people generally, they'd rather play psychiatrist and diagnose them themselves by their own standards, that's the trouble.

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I cant believe that I am reading this drivel. Dexter was faced with an offer he couldn't refuse and he took it. He was clever enough to work it all out and therein lies the rub. The problem is that the fool was caught with his pants down when it backfired and he did what he has done all his life, he tried to lie his way out of it. I didn't see the 99k, was his first lie, I thought someone would take the £1 was his second then what followed was a confusing account of lucky number crap about 4,s and 8,s.

The trouble is that the small man syndrome has been with him for so long, he feels compelled to lie or cheat in everything he does. His persona is despicable and it does not matter whether he wins, looses or draws, he will never be successful in life and a vote to secure his win is a vote to promote deception for someone who has played a good game but more importantly has played the public and that is just simply wrong. IMO
Except the only thing he mentioned as a strategy in the price room was 4s and 8s. Again if you weren't looking for other numbers other than 4s and 8s then it is feasible you wouldn't see other numbers as an option as they wouldn't enter into it. I think mentioning the £1 thing was mostly calling the other housemates out as being just as greedy if not more so, than him.
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Why didn't BB simply ask them to WRITE DOWN THE AMOUNT instead of asking them to remove the card. That way we would have seen the true answers. BB messed it up now they got what they wanted, controversy. Had someone have chosen 15k they would be out the door and the others left to fight it out, UNLESS IT WAS DEXTER WHO THEY NEED IN THE FINAL FOR PERSONAL FINACIAL GAIN ON THE VOTES.. The choosing of 88k made them change their minds once again showing they haven't got a clue how to run a show.
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Why didn't BB simply ask them to WRITE DOWN THE AMOUNT instead of asking them to remove the card. That way we would have seen the true answers. BB messed it up now they got what they wanted, controversy. Had someone have chosen 15k they would be out the door and the others left to fight it out, UNLESS IT WAS DEXTER WHO THEY NEED IN THE FINAL FOR PERSONAL FINACIAL GAIN ON THE VOTES.. The choosing of 88k made them change their minds once again showing they haven't got a clue how to run a show.
Yes. I don't think it should have been made so public too. A private DR chat about it would have sufficed. Then it being made public after that. Would have seen the 'real' answers then I think
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Dexter would be a pretty terrible gambler if he based his strategies on "4's and 8's", it's all bull - he absolutely saw all the numbers on that board and everyone here knows it.
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Dexter would be a pretty terrible gambler if he based his strategies on "4's and 8's", it's all bull - he absolutely saw all the numbers on that board and everyone here knows it.
The 4s and 8s were the way he tried to wriggle out of the hole he dug ,but he failed
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Im backing Dexter on this-88 grand was a high amount.If he'd have chosen 40-like he was mulling over-then he wouldnt have had much credibility. Sam is acting like a sanctimonious pillock over this.If he's not worried about the money why does he care about someone trying to trouser some of it?

Why didnt Charlie pick crafty 5 or 10 grand.Shes going anyway and no one would have begruded her a nice little parting gift.Would have saved her for tonight as it turned out.
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Im backing Dexter on this-88 grand was a high amount.If he'd have chosen 40-like he was mulling over-then he wouldnt have had much credibility. Sam is acting like a sanctimonious pillock over this.If he's not worried about the money why does he care about someone trying to trouser some of it?

Why didnt Charlie pick crafty 5 or 10 grand.Shes going anyway and no one would have begruded her a nice little parting gift.Would have saved her for tonight as it turned out.
If anyone other than Dexter had chosen the lowest figure BB would have changed their plan.
They knew that forums on here were asking fans of Gina to vote Dexter out so he could have been out today.
This stunt kept him in to the final.
They want Sam out today hence the splash of anti Sam in the Daily Star.
It is just BB playing the viewers and getting their choice of winner this year either Gina or Dexter.
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I enjoyed watching it. If Dexter really wanted the money he'd have gone for a lower amount, why not 50,000? He still took a risk, but Dex is a gambler he would of enjoyed it. Fairplay Id rather walk out the house with 88,000 than stay for the final. Id have 88,000 and like Liam in previous year who would be the most remembered?
So why did Charlie care about going last if it hadnt crossed her mind? If she only cared about staying in wouldnt she choose third so she could pick the third highest? She rock, paper scissored to go fourth when she was in there she was saying Dexter would chose the third highest so by wanting fourth she thought she'd have the lowest. Charlie and the Twins are con men to by that rule, their just more sneaky.

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Dexter has been caught out as a con man, which is no surprise really. It is as clear as day that Dexter wanted to take the money and run. I was able to see and assimilate all the numbers on the board quickly and I wasn't even in the room. They each had plenty of time to choose.
As each HM came into the room one by one, the amount they had chosen disappeared from the board. Sam chose 100k - it was blacked out. The twins would have seen the 100k was gone and they chose 96 something K. Which means they also were trying for the money if the 2 to come after them went higher. The amount they took was then blanked out. With me so far?

Dexter came next and although there was still 99k left, and 4 or 5 other amounts in the 90k range, he chose 88k. Now, if he had really wanted to stay, why didn't he chose the highest number still available? He said he didn't see the 99k, which of course he waffled around, but what about the other numbers in the 90k range? Didn't he see ANY of them?
Then he changes his story and says he thought someone would take a £1. Immediately you can see he regrets digging an even deeper hole for himself.

When the amounts are revealed, he acts as if he is upset. Then when BB says, 'However, Dexter will not receive the money' his eyes dart about in a panic. A few moments pass and he says' thank god'. Why would he say that if he thought he was going to be leaving with nothing? BB hadn't told him he was safe yet. Didn't he say he wanted to stay?

Then comes the relief when he finds out he is safe from eviction and the tears were a genuine reaction to that and not because he had to pick a HM to evict.
As soon as heard what the twist was basically about I knew he would do something sly & underhand.

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Maybe Charlie did think she was picking the lowest figure why play rock paper scissors to go last in the room? She said herself she assumed they'd all pick the highest amounts to stay, if that was the case at 99,000 she would of picked the lowest amount.People are missing this. Charlie would have happily left the house with 99,0000 and she knew she'd probably go in the eviction after last weeks audience reaction.. And this was possible there were obscure numbers. Everyones baiting Dexter, but the twins were greedier and tactical and so was Charlie.

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Dexter has been caught out as a con man, which is no surprise really. It is as clear as day that Dexter wanted to take the money and run. I was able to see and assimilate all the numbers on the board quickly and I wasn't even in the room. They each had plenty of time to choose.
As each HM came into the room one by one, the amount they had chosen disappeared from the board. Sam chose 100k - it was blacked out. The twins would have seen the 100k was gone and they chose 96 something K. Which means they also were trying for the money if the 2 to come after them went higher. The amount they took was then blanked out. With me so far?

Dexter came next and although there was still 99k left, and 4 or 5 other amounts in the 90k range, he chose 88k. Now, if he had really wanted to stay, why didn't he chose the highest number still available? He said he didn't see the 99k, which of course he waffled around, but what about the other numbers in the 90k range? Didn't he see ANY of them?
Then he changes his story and says he thought someone would take a £1. Immediately you can see he regrets digging an even deeper hole for himself.

When the amounts are revealed, he acts as if he is upset. Then when BB says, 'However, Dexter will not receive the money' his eyes dart about in a panic. A few moments pass and he says' thank god'. Why would he say that if he thought he was going to be leaving with nothing? BB hadn't told him he was safe yet. Didn't he say he wanted to stay?

Then comes the relief when he finds out he is safe from eviction and the tears were a genuine reaction to that and not because he had to pick a HM to evict.
Load of rubbish!

Why did BB put up the figure of £88,800. Because they knew that the Number 8 has significance for Dexter because that number is seen as being very lucky in Chinese culture.

Maybe you should be asking why the Twins did not pick the £99,000? Why did one of the Twins ask BB in the room whether they would definitely be going home with the money? Why one of the Twins has confirmed that he would like to take the money and run?
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i just caught up on the last few eps myself.

Dex was lying his ass off about the 99K not seeing it. i can see why he would lie if it was like BBUS with a twist but not BBUK with the publice voting. if he would of been a boss with some balls he would of just owned up to taking it. i thought he could possibly be considered a legend for BBUK but the last sad weeks and this really takes him off that imo. still one of the best HM of the series but was a gutless wimp. Sam got him shook whenever he they talked about it. even Charlie who i dont like knew it. i do think the twins tried to make off with the money since they could of went for a couple numbers higher and i think they were banking on Charlie & Dexter to take the two above it. no one calls em out but i can see why the focus was on Dex. he got caught and he was pissed and moaned in the DR. each time he tried to defend he came off looking worse and worse.
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