[Northern Monkey]

It was an argument of 2 differing opinions,Neither were right as they were just their opinions.Vicky was willing to sit down and talk it out maturely.Charlotte brought the whole thing down to kiddy level by throwing a strop like a 10 year old instead of discussing it.Then,She said Vicky was acting immature!!This made me chuckle,The irony....

[Kizzy]

Charlotte threw a massive paddy! Like a 2yr old in a supermarket... All because she couldn't express herself well enough, maybe Vicky was a little short with her and was slightly patronising but the histrionics?... She's still stropping about it now!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Charlotte threw a massive paddy! Like a 2yr old in a supermarket... All because she couldn't express herself well enough, maybe Vicky was a little short with her and was slightly patronising but the histrionics?... She's still stropping about it now!

Its just beyond pathetic. Vicky had every right to say, if you let me finish, that's not patronising whatsoever. its simple manners. clearly no one has ever told her shes pig ignorant....that's how she ended up so spoilt

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Vicky is not 'above everyone' Im sure she has made mistakes and cannot be sitting in judgement from her high and mighty throne. Charlotte was right tonight and even if she wasn't Vicky had no right to be saying those awful things about her while she sat in the garden !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apart from the fact there may be a massive case of hippocrisy and double standards when considering Charlotte's own behaviour, you seem to be accusing Vicky of sitting in judgement and then go on to say "Vicky had no right" !

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Apart from the fact there may be a massive case of hippocrisy and double standards when considering Charlotte's own behaviour, you seem to be accusing Vicky of sitting in judgement and then go on to say "Vicky had no right" !

Charlotte is by no means and angel and the way she choses to live her life is highly questionable as are some of her antics in the house Charlotte may also have called Vicky names but Vicky was patronising and really I don't think she actually GOT what Charlotte was trying to say. It should be a level playing field with everyone treated the same. Vicky of course does not want to associate herself with the 'fat slag' or whatever else she called her. Her rant about Charlotte in the garden was stupid. Charlotte isn't a child but she is young. Vicky is a mature woman and should have conducted herself better in this argument. I do not condone Charlotte for much of what she does but she was trying to make a point and even when Vicky EVENTUALLY finished talking Vicky just brushed it off

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Charlotte is by no means and angel and the way she choses to live her life is highly questionable as are some of her antics in the house Charlotte may also have called Vicky names but Vicky was patronising and really I don't think she actually GOT what Charlotte was trying to say.

I think she did - she just didn't see the validity of her argument.
And neither do I can you explain ?

It seemed to me when VIcky said "who's to say what's right or wrong" Charlotte had no answer so threw a mega-strop.

Seems to me Charlotte just doesn't like it when people won't bow down or agree with her.

Originally Posted by rionablue

It should be a level playing field with everyone treated the same.

If that's the case then how come Charlotte feels hard done to by not having the letter ?

It's ok for HER to have the letter.
But if others get it then it's somehow not fair ?

Poppycock !

She's had everything on a plate this series and loves the group power advantage as much as Louie and Carol do.

Level playing field ?
More like spollt brat's field all to herself !

Originally Posted by rionablue

Her rant about Charlotte in the garden was stupid.

If someone abused me unfairly I wouldn't be impressed either.
I don't blame Vicky for being hacked off and releasing her frustration in the garden at all.

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Charlotte was in the right!

as for those saying Lauren was right to see her mother, if she is so unwell that she need moral support from family she shouldn't be in the house, she should be at home with her family.

[MachoPoodle]

Basically I think they're all spoiled wusses. 3 weeks w/o family so what? There are plenty of people in the world who has absolutely no one, at any time. That said, Charlotte's childish behaviour was silly. She's 23, not 5, yet she argues on a child's level. Vicky was a bit condescending, but Charlotte definitely crossed the line way before she did. But again, all of them should rein in their privilege, and keep it in check.

[user104658]

What I found most alarming about the whole thing was that Marcus said "mistakenly think that..." And then the following conversation basically confirmed that we're being lied to. Charlotte mentioned seeing family right in front of Lauren, and Lauren didn't deny it or even look slightly surprised, confirming that it must have happened. So either it's being covered up, or for some reason Lauren WANTS people to think she saw family when she didnt.

As for the argument, yes Charlotte was very immature and it was obvious that she was finding it hard to contain her upset and frustration... But trying to claim that Vicky was in the right? She was being deliberately aggressive, patronising and antagonistic throughout the entire conversation. Not what she said - but how she said it. Then she pulled out the old "Im 45 I deserve respect" chestnut (is she really only 45 by the way??? Wut??) Before going to the garden to demonstrate that she, in fact, doesnt deserve any respect at all from Charlotte because she clearly doesn't and never has respected Charlotte. Her underlying feelings bubbled to the surface, and it's the same nasty judgemental rubbish we're seeing all over the internet.

The real shame is that Vicky would be easy to wreck in an argument, she's a very angry little lady, all you'd need to do is keep your cool, wind her up, and then laugh at her. She would implode, spectacularly. Unfortunately Charlotte isn't in control of her emotions and couldn't do that.

[Cherie]

Must admit I was taken aback when Vicky said she was 45, she is not aging well if that is or all she is or maybe it is her clothes that make her appear dowdy and older than she is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What I found most alarming about the whole thing was that Marcus said "mistakenly think that..." And then the following conversation basically confirmed that we're being lied to. Charlotte mentioned seeing family right in front of Lauren, and Lauren didn't deny it or even look slightly surprised, confirming that it must have happened. So either it's being covered up, or for some reason Lauren WANTS people to think she saw family when she didnt.

As for the argument, yes Charlotte was very immature and it was obvious that she was finding it hard to contain her upset and frustration... But trying to claim that Vicky was in the right? She was being deliberately aggressive, patronising and antagonistic throughout the entire conversation. Not what she said - but how she said it. Then she pulled out the old "Im 45 I deserve respect" chestnut (is she really only 45 by the way??? Wut??) Before going to the garden to demonstrate that she, in fact, doesnt deserve any respect at all from Charlotte because she clearly doesn't and never has respected Charlotte. Her underlying feelings bubbled to the surface, and it's the same nasty judgemental rubbish we're seeing all over the internet.

The real shame is that Vicky would be easy to wreck in an argument, she's a very angry little lady, all you'd need to do is keep your cool, wind her up, and then laugh at her. She would implode, spectacularly. Unfortunately Charlotte isn't in control of her emotions and couldn't do that.

I'm not saying Vicky was right for that comment that she deserved respect, however to be fair Vicky has been one of the most respectful housemates thus far. Many of the others have been involved in slanging matches in the house, and charlotte still has respect for them.
They had one slight disagreement is all that really happened, when you have a slight difference of opinion it doesn't follow you have no respect for that person does it?

When you look at charlottes behaviour has she really done anything to be respected for, As it does have to be earned?
She clearly has anger issues and needs to learn that running away swearing and crying is not the way to get your point across.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So either it's being covered up, or for some reason Lauren WANTS people to think she saw family when she didnt.

It it's the latter you could argue it's a subtle piece of fantastic gameplaying.

Why exactly should she pipe up ?

If they want to get in a strop and make themselves look stupid and potentially harm their own chances by jumping to wrong conclusions, it's up to them.

If Lauren sat on the fence and figured it could help her more to say nothing then bravo !

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But trying to claim that Vicky was in the right? She was being deliberately aggressive, patronising and antagonistic throughout the entire conversation. Not what she said - but how she said it.

Vicky was polite, kept her cool quite well and was reasonable.
Charlotte didn't and wasn't.
If you're suggesting people need to fall over backwards to accomodate the faults of people like Charlotte then I disagree.
Especially when Charlotte is the one who thinks it should be a so called level playing field.
More like downhill for her is ok but when it's level and she's got her own issues going uphill then it isn't !

Out of interest why are you supporting Charlotte ?
I may be wrong but you don't strike me as someone that is easily entertained by farting and swearing.

[Pincho Paxton]

I never see my family anyway. I don't get the fuss. I don't see them for months at a time. Letters from my family in the house would just embarrass me. I hate that sort of thing, and I hate phone calls.

[Jordan.]

Of course she was right. Vicky clearly isn't aware that BB is supposed to be NO CONTACT with the outside, being upset doesn't give you the right to see your family, you know what you're signing up for.

[Vanessa]

Big Brother can change the rules at anytime. Clearly Charlotte has forgotten that.

[Jordan.]

That's just the lamest excuse of a rule ever for them to justify their favoritism.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Im sorry and I may be in the minority here but Charlotte ( in her own unique way) was right in the argument shown on tonights BB. Firstly I feel that Vicky was intimidating in a way by telling Charlotte to let her finish and when there was a gap in the conversation and Charlotte wanted to say something she still tried to hold her off. Secondly what Charlotte was trying to say is that EVERYONE when the came into the house should be treated equally throughout the whole process and that Lauren should not have been awarded a special priviledge of seeing or talking to her family because she was feeling down or sick or whatever. I seriously think that everyone is treating Lauren like a china doll because she is 'fragile' she 'wants to be loved' etc etc. Charlotte isn't a great depiction of a young woman in todays society and what she does or does not do might not suit everyone but she is still a young woman and a human being and she was right, there have been times in the past few weeks that all of them would have given anything to talk to their family when they were feeling down. Vicky is not 'above everyone' Im sure she has made mistakes and cannot be sitting in judgement from her high and mighty throne. Charlotte was right tonight and even if she wasn't Vicky had no right to be saying those awful things about her while she sat in the garden !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I absolutely agree...

[Parmy]

In my opinion they were both correct and both wrong.

I know Charlottes point was that the concept off big brother is that everyone is treated equally and are kept from contact from outside the house, but where does that stop and where does that end!

Vicky made a point that everyone should be treated as and when it is needed in regards to outside contact.

For instance, should people be allowed to recieve hospital treatment and then let back into the house?...should tom have been allowed to go to his grandmothers funeral and then allowed back in the house?...should people be told when someone dies in their family when they are in the house like what happened to the bloke from an earlier bb who then decided to leave.

So as vicky was saying, yes it should be treated as and when an individual needs contact from the outside and that individuals needs should be rspected and seen to.

Chartlottes point was more to do with the whoile point of what big brother was all about.

I found charlotte acted very childishly and vicky very patronising, so both correct in a way and both wrong in others.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by parmnion

In my opinion they were both correct and both wrong.

I know Charlottes point was that the concept off big brother is that everyone is treated equally and are kept from contact from outside the house, but where does that stop and where does that end!

Vicky made a point that everyone should be treated as and when it is needed in regards to outside contact.

For instance, should people be allowed to recieve hospital treatment and then let back into the house?...should tom have been allowed to go to his grandmothers funeral and then allowed back in the house?...should people be told when someone dies in their family when they are in the house like what happened to the bloke from an earlier bb who then decided to leave.

So as vicky was saying, yes it should be treated as and when an individual needs contact from the outside and that individuals needs should be rspected and seen to.

Chartlottes point was more to do with the whoile point of what big brother was all about.

I found charlotte acted very childishly and vicky very patronising, so both correct in a way and both wrong in others.

Agreed, but i Charlotte started with the insults. She called Vicky thick. How rude!