[Kyle]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

I think Islam's the worst for causing conflicting problems for young people, followed very closely by Roman Catholicism. I know plenty of Muslims who get drunk, smoke weed etc and then get funny about certain things that Islam dictates that they shouldn't do... I'm not judging anyone but c'mon, if you're gonna break some of the rules, you might as well not care about the rest. This is why I'm so glad I wasn't brought up with a religion, I'd hate to feel like I was disobeying some higher power for just living how I want to live.

Just like homosexual Christians. Confuses the hell out of me. Each to their own an all that but why would you want to be part of a religious institution that doesn't like your lifestyle.


Anyway looks like M & S are taking the easy way out and saying it's their fault for not putting her in the right department. Though why you would work for a company like that if you refuse to handle certain meat items is beyond me.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by The baby Zeesus

I think Islam's the worst for causing conflicting problems for young people, followed very closely by Roman Catholicism. I know plenty of Muslims who get drunk, smoke weed etc and then get funny about certain things that Islam dictates that they shouldn't do... I'm not judging anyone but c'mon, if you're gonna break some of the rules, you might as well not care about the rest. This is why I'm so glad I wasn't brought up with a religion, I'd hate to feel like I was disobeying some higher power for just living how I want to live.

how would that make sense? everyone sins, it's about doing as little unlawful things as you can and doing more good deeds than bad. no one is perfect so why would they want to worsen themselves?

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

Just like homosexual Christians. Confuses the hell out of me. Each to their own an all that but why would you want to be part of a religious institution that doesn't like your lifestyle.

do you really think it's that simple? these people are probably brought up as Christians and once it becomes such a huge part of your life it's hard to turn away. also homosexuality being a sin is just. an. intepretation. some people don't believe it's an issue, and some branches of Christianity are more accepting. and if they do believe it's an issue, then like I said to zee, everyone sins and they'd obviously try and lessen any other sinning they do

wow are you people new to religion or something?

[Kyle]

By brought up you obviously mean indoctrinated and as for interpretation it's the biggest get out of jail free card going.

Oh dear that part of the bible looks difficult to implement I'll just disregard it...

[Z]

Originally Posted by Salman!

how would that make sense? everyone sins, it's about doing as little unlawful things as you can and doing more good deeds than bad. no one is perfect so why would they want to worsen themselves

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear - if you're happy to disregard certain rules dictated by your particular religion, e.g. drinking alcohol, then why would you kick up a fuss about e.g. not having sex before marriage? Adhering to the rules of your religion is fine, but there's this bizarre defensive logic that comes with people who are happy to disregard some aspects of their religion - so they overcompensate by being militant about other aspects. I went to school with a boy who smoked weed all the time and then he would be condescending about people getting drunk. Why not just accept that your relationship with your religion is yours and yours alone? Going off on a bit of a tangent now but my point wasn't "oh if you're going to break one rule then you might as well break all of them", it was "if you're going to break one rule then you might as well stop pretending to care about the rules and just live your life."

[Nedusa]

This is a frankly ridiculous news story , if M&S sell it then ALL their staff must be prepared to put these goods through the Checkout. The till checkout operator is not at liberty to refuse any items regardless of personal persuasion .

If they do they should be sacked immediately , if their Manager has allowed staff to excempt certain items on personal grounds then the Manager in question should be sacked .

If the Company has allowed this then a Nationwide boycott should be enforced .

Seems in this case the Manager was at fault , I see a new job vacancy opening up in this store....!!!!

[Marcus.]

she was stuck bettew a rock and a hard place

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by ShiningStar

she was stuck bettew a rock and a hard place

Or a P45.

Sorry chaps I can't ethically do my job.

[Me. I Am Salman]

well that tells me you haven't because it is definitely not as simple as that, you should probably read this http://christianteens.about.com/od/w...Homosexual.htm

You're not giving your opinion on religion, you're giving an opinion on the relationship people have with it, like saying Christian gays are using a get out jail card when you have no clue what their reasoning is. Can you not see how that can offend some people?

And what do you mean you disagree with me and 'I don't like it'? I'm not a Christian, this has nothing to personally do with me, I'm just not a judgemental ignorant person.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Salman!

well that tells me you haven't because it is definitely not as simple as that, you should probably read this http://christianteens.about.com/od/w...Homosexual.htm

You're not giving your opinion on religion, you're giving an opinion on the relationship people have with it, like saying Christian gays are using a get out jail card when you have no clue what their reasoning is. Can you not see how that can offend some people?

And what do you mean you disagree with me and 'I don't like it'? I'm not a Christian, this has nothing to personally do with me, I'm just not a judgemental ignorant person.

Your the first person to jump in when people criticise organised religion like your on some sort of 'crusade' to clear it's name.

You just have to face it that some people don't have a very high opinion of organised religion and if that offends anybody then good.

But don't worry you'll get the last laugh because your religion is the right one I'm sure

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why are you ignoring my post? You clearly weren't talking about religion on it's own. Or maybe you realise you were wrong and are too immature to admit so you're getting personal like a child

And yes I do because there's so much ignorance and misguided judgements on here. The point of a forum is to make discussion. If you have a problem with it deal with it cuz I'm not gonna stop

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Why are you ignoring my post? You clearly weren't talking about religion on it's own. Or maybe you realise you were wrong and are too immature to admit so you're getting personal like a child

And yes I do because there's so much ignorance and misguided judgements on here. The point of a forum is to make discussion. If you have a problem with it deal with it cuz I'm not gonna stop

Because I can't be assed to read a load of Christian speculation about twisting words in scripture to suit an agenda and don't accuse me of getting personal like a child considering you and some of your buddies kept your heads down over some of the sh*t said in the last major scandal and let another take all the rap.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

don't accuse me of getting personal like a child considering you and some of your buddies kept your heads down over some of the sh*t said in the last major scandal and let another take all the rap.

what? why don't you expand

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by ChristMASS EFFECT

don't accuse me of getting personal like a child considering you and some of your buddies kept your heads down over some of the sh*t said in the last major scandal and let another take all the rap.

*is still waiting for Simple Minds to explain this*

[Me. I Am Salman]

Oh and it's you're*

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Oh and it's you're*

Sentences usually end with a full stop, too. If you're going to talk up the game, sit down and play the damn thing.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Then you are in no place to make any sort of judgement. Goodbye

[Me. I Am Salman]

thanks for your valued contribution

[Vicky.]

Anyway...the new policy makes so much more sense. Move someone to a different department if they dont like handling items in their current one. Win win. Doesn't put customers out unnecessarily, and the staff member isnt made to feel uncomfortable.

[Amy Jade]

If people don't want to handle meat or whatever why not move them to another part of the store?

like if somebody is against handing bacon then move them to the clothes department or the fruit and veg. It wouldn't be fair to force a customer to leave an item behind or go to another line after waiting already.

[Marc]

This whole story in the OP is ridiculous

[Marsh.]

If you think the Bible can be applied directly to modern day life without being "interpreted" then.... we've reached an impasse.

[Ninastar]

wow, i dont think it's right for a customer to be refused service, but i think salman makes some very very good points. well done I like reading the different sides of the story

[Me. I Am Salman]

aw thanks, lol

[waterhog]

M & S sorry Marks and Sparks how dare you refuse a sale 26.12.13

this is controversial,
like prey being surrounded by sharks,
"Marc Bolland" won't want this commercial,
its not a pleasant advert for Marks and Sparks.
so whats the out cry,
why has the shop gone dim,
because any unjust "no sale" is a bad deny,
it really is giving bad press to the "Muslim".
its now getting beyond a joke,
job rolls are not being for-filled,
so i am going to have a poke,
M&S are employing those that are not fully skilled.
where is it going to stop,
maybe M&S should only sell "Hala Meat" approved,
of-course i am having a clear pop,
i strongly recommend this member of staff is removed.
we can not change "job tittles",
business can not be "cultural" dominated,
the customer coming first is vital,
and i hope this highlight shows "Marks and Spencer's" frustrate.

( i was reading this story on this website and i felt very sad for the customer that has gone into a shop with the good faith of purchasing a product which is on sale only to when finally get served be refused. common sence must prevail here or do you think every cashier should have the right to refuse a product if they feel it is not right ? a few examples of this could be - a person trying to purchase a few bottles of wine ? or someone daily that buys 20 cigs ? it could even stretch to naughty mags on the top shelf ? the question i want to no is - should the the cashier have the right to refuse any sale if they feel it is not appropriate or should they be forced to follow the shops code on making all sales ? i am going to try and get this to M&S if you wanted to read where i got the story from it can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25488259 )

[Vicky.]

No, individual staff should not be allowed to refuse sales of certain items

But that story turned out to be a mistake made by one m&s store apparently (though personally I think they backtracked after the ridiculous policy came out) and they do the sensible thing instead. If staff dont like handling certain products, they are shifted to another department.