[Z]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

What someone elses mum said on a reality TV show years ago will clearly be on all their minds.

Chances are somebody will know that Luisa is vaguely famous, if not the kids themselves then their parents may well be Big Brother viewers and somebody would say something it'd somehow all come out. It's a very likely scenario. Somebody might Google "Luisa Zissman", people will likely know about her businesses if her daughter ever mentions it, there are so many ways somebody might stumble across the videos where Luisa's sex life is discussed.

[Jack_]

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

It will change though, just as attitudes towards things like homosexuality are becoming much more open generation by generation, so will things like this. Slowly but surely people are going to realise that what other people do in their sex lives has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with anyone else and are going to adopt similar 'live and let live' attitudes, it will happen...not overnight, but I say 20/30 years and we'll be in a lot better situation than we are now, and I was going to make a post earlier actually saying I can't wait until then when the majority of people will adopt these kind of liberal beliefs and the generations that don't will have faded out

The more 'abnormal' issues are discussed and put into the populations conscience, the more things become normalised. That's the way you defeat bullying, by normalising abnormal issues, the less there are the less bullies have to pick on - but I really think that laying the blame at the feet of people who talk about these 'abnormal' issues is vindicating those who bully, taking a 'well we won't do that in case they get bullied' doesn't help any cause at all, because you're just proving that it is something that shouldn't be spoken about because it's not normal

The more homosexuality is brought into the public eye, the more people started to care less, the same will happen with other issues

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It will change though, just as attitudes towards things like homosexuality are becoming much more open generation by generation, so will things like this. Slowly but surely people are going to realise that what other people do in their sex lives has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with anyone else and are going to adopt similar 'live and let live' attitudes, it will happen...not overnight, but I say 20/30 years and we'll be in a lot better situation than we are now, and I was going to make a post earlier actually saying I can't wait until then when the majority of people will adopt these kind of liberal beliefs and the generations that don't will have faded out

The more 'abnormal' issues are discussed and put into the populations conscience, the more things become normalised. That's the way you defeat bullying, by normalising abnormal issues, the less there are the less bullies have to pick on - but I really think that laying the blame at the feet of people who talk about these 'abnormal' issues is vindicating those who bully, taking a 'well we won't do that in case they get bullied' doesn't help any cause at all, because you're just proving that it is something that shouldn't be spoken about because it's not normal

The more homosexuality is brought into the public eye, the more people started to care less, the same will happen with other issues

Jack, why have you decided to fly the rainbow flag on this post. Please stay on topic.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Jack, why have you decided to fly the rainbow flag on this post. Please stay on topic.

Please stop baiting

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Jack, I have to say I love your utopian ideas.. I'd love to live in a world where everything is perfect an fair, but unfortunately I don't. Whether we like it or not, agree with it or not the world can be unfair; people who sleep around do get a bad reputation, men get an easier time for being promiscuous than women, promiscuity will eventually have a negative affect on you, either physically or mentally, your actions DO have an effect on your offspring and regardless of who's got the problem, bullying does hurt.

your part of the problem, giving people who sleep around a bad name!.
your the type to point the finger.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

your part of the problem, giving people who sleep around a bad name!.
your the type to point the finger.

I honestly couldn't care less... I've been brought up to have respect for myself and I'll be bringing my kids up in the same way.

Regardless of what anybody thinks of me, I find somebody gobbing off about sex parties and shagging 5 men a night disgusting..

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I honestly couldn't care less... I've been brought up to have respect for myself and I'll be bringing my kids up in the same way.

Regardless of what anybody thinks of me, I find somebody gobbing off about sex parties and shagging 5 men a night disgusting..

she can and is doing what she likes, I don't have problem with that.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually more open and liberal attitudes to sex solves more problems than it creates, it's this 'ooh we mustn't talk about that, just tell them the basics' bullsh*t attitude that leaves kids ignorant and unaware of some of the more colourful aspects of sexuality and so they go searching online for it instead, and we all know what some people think of that (). Kids are intuitive and they will find out what they want to, so perhaps it's best we start teaching them everything before they learn it from porn and then feel too scared to ask the people that are really important in their lives about how to remain safe...

Also I really think lying the blame of bullying at the feet of the parents for saying something regarding their sex lives is so wrong, that's vindicating the bullies - they're the ones with the problems and are the people that need to be addressed. You can't just shy away from things and go 'oh well we best not say or do this because they might be bullied', no ****** that, the way you combat bullying is by normalising things so that they can't be outcasted and picked on, and the more things like this are talked about, the more normal they become

I don't want to normalise sex parties with multiple partners and an absence of any emotional connection, because if that becomes the centre of the bell curve what in God's great name becomes the new activity that is one or two standard deviations away, but is accepted as personal choice.

[wendywillow]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

I don't want to normalise sex parties with multiple partners and an absence of any emotional connection

you could have both, ya know

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

you could have both, ya know

Very kind of you to offer but my back's playing up. I accept Luisa can do as she likes, but I don't have to approve of her choice. Two separate issues, and for those that disagree, how many of you would drive your 16year old daughter/sister to a stranger's house for a sex party with various strangers, drive home and sleep like a baby, looking forward to hearing of her exploits over breakfast if/when she makes it back? If not, why not?

[wendywillow]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Very kind of you to offer but my back's playing up.

tease

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Very kind of you to offer but my back's playing up. I accept Luisa can do as she likes, but I don't have to approve of her choice. Two separate issues, and for those that disagree, how many of you would drive your 16year old daughter/sister to a stranger's house for a sex party with various strangers, drive home and sleep like a baby, looking forward to hearing of her exploits over breakfast if/when she makes it back? If not, why not?

Of course not.. Nobody would be fine with that.

[Jake.]

It's not like Luisa's daughter is going to grow up with people from the age of, say, my generation, who have watched The Apprentice and this years CBB. I really cannot see kids (who right now are the age of three) bringing up Luisa's comments infront of her daughter and bullying her for it, if anything her daughter will probably just be known as the girl with the 'famous' mum.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It's not like Luisa's daughter is going to grow up with people from the age of, say, my generation, who have watched The Apprentice and this years CBB. I really cannot see kids (who right now are the age of three) bringing up Luisa's comments infront of her daughter and bullying her for it, if anything her daughter will probably just be known as the girl with the 'famous' mum.

If there was no such thing as YouTube and the likes, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately having a famous mum means she WILL be googled etc.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Lee.

If there was no such thing as YouTube and the likes, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately having a famous mum means she WILL be googled etc.

This^

[Ammi]

..I agree that her daughter will most likely find out about everything if she doesn't know already but the assumption is that it will or could have a negative effect on her life, which isn't necessarily so, it could have no effect at all.. so it's a bit like crossing a bridge that hasn't presented itself and also, we are all 'everyday' people and not celebrities whose lives are scrutinised closely anyway by the media so there is also a good chance that they would have revealed this all anyway at some point/we can't really associate their lives to ours from that point of view..

[sampvt]

OMG reading back on some of these posts, I am glad I was brought up in the 60,s. Whats the world going to be like when the kids of today are parents themselves. This is why family virtues are a thing of the past these days judging by what I am seeing on the news and the tabloids.

[Jack_]

I'm glad I was brought up in the 90s/00's, an era where attitudes to homosexuality were liberalised, racism is almost a universally condemned issue, women are having careers and sexist attitudes towards them are being raised and discussed, attitudes towards sex and sexuality are somewhat more 'live and let live' than they were before. I'm sure plenty agree

The only thing I can actually complain about is the economy, as far as social issues go it's not been too bad

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm glad I was brought up in the 90s/00's, an era where attitudes to homosexuality were liberalised, racism is almost a universally condemned issue, women are having careers and sexist attitudes towards them are being raised and discussed, attitudes towards sex and sexuality are somewhat more 'live and let live' than they were before. I'm sure plenty agree

The only thing I can actually complain about is the economy, as far as social issues go it's not been too bad

Here here.

[wendywillow]

sex is bad! sex is bad! put away those dirty pillows!

luisa is doing whatever she wants, good for her, slut shaming is antiquated (or should be)

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

sex is bad! sex is bad! put away those dirty pillows!

luisa is doing whatever she wants, good for her, slut shaming is antiquated (or should be)

I don't think anybody's said sex is bad.

[sampvt]

Me gone, yet another post ruined by issues not related to the topic. Gonna watch the footie and look forward to noms.

[CaudleHalbard]

I wonder what the employees in her vast business empire will think of her. Will they have more or less respect for her after her appearance on the show?