[dyfed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

100% I agree, I think this was a really bad one tonight,full stop.

Has to have been one of the worst bots..

[Slevin]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

Couldn't agree more!

As for Jim, I can't stand him as a person, but I haven't wanted him out (I just hope he doesn't win). I can understand why people would find him funny or dislike the HMs he dislikes and take his side, at least to an extent. What I cannot understand though, is people not seeing through him. I'll never get the "my fave can do nothing wrong" attitude. You can like something/someone w/o having to put rose tinted glasses on. He IS passive aggressive, he IS a **** stirrer, he IS sexist, he DOES go for the woe is me/martyr role.

yea me neither. my favorites always do something i dont like but it happens. like how some Jim fans say Luisa is a **** stirrer but act like he isnt when those two and a couple more at least have done it. its no big deal. its a good thing to have in a series. needs some people to do that otherwise it would likely be really boring.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Slevin

yea me neither. my favorites always do something i dont like but it happens. like how some Jim fans say Luisa is a **** stirrer but act like he isnt when those two and a couple more at least have done it. its no big deal. its a good thing to have in a series. needs some people to do that otherwise it would likely be really boring.

Absolutely! I like Luisa, Ollie, Casey and Linda the best, but they've all done and/or said things I don't agree with. Out of those, I've been most disappointed in Ollie because he hasn't been stirring anything but possibly his fake tan. I watch to be entertained, after all.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The problem about psychologists etc. coming on with superficial and sometimes derisory attitudes is that people do look up to these people, and they trust their judgement as an "expert". Anyone (including people with personality disorders, prejudices, deep childhood wounds) can become a psychologist by doing a handful of open university courses followed by a PHD, specialising in any aspect they choose, and hey presto: they could be sitting on TV hinting that others are sociopaths, while presenting absolutely no evidence or justification whatsover for their conclusions. Meanwhile, the audience are forming opinions based on what they are hearing. It worries me.

That's what concerns me about the 'psychologists', the effect they have on the viewers. Personal bias is fine - everyone has an opinion and i welcome the opinions of those i disagree with as much as i welcome the opinions of those i do agree with.

The problem here is that the 'psychologists' are given a status above the regular panelists as if they have some higher authority in the psychology dept - therefore are taken a bit more seriously by the show and the audience as if they are doctors/experts in the field of BB and not just regular panelists.

So when they act like regular panelists as they did tonight - just offering up personal bias and spite in the name of psychology then it feels to me like an abuse of their position and title of 'psychologists'. It concerns me that they get taken more seriously as 'experts' when what they are saying is no different to the regular panelists.

If they came on as simply Rachel Morris, Kate Marlow in the main BOTS show alongside Helen Flanagan, Vikki Michelle, Patrick Strudwick etc etc then i wouldn't be writing this.

Loads of panelists i disagree with and it's all part of the BB fun.

But psychologists have a platform above the regular panelists and that comes with a responsibility to be more balanced and less personal.

Judi James, Dr Funke, Diane Youdale, Pam Spurr and Geoffrey Beattie (remember him?) all manage to be more fair, insightful and good humoured.

Rachel and Kate however just seem to aim for controversial and personal opinions without the good humour, fairness and professionalism that you get with the psychologists mentioned above.

PS - by the way i thought Rylan, Iain and Carol were all fine tonight as they usually are. And anyway they aren't under the title of 'psychologists' so they can say what they like.