[Kazanne]

I don't know if this will help anyone,but I found it fascinating,I was asked once if scientists could make a blade of grass,I didn't know,I said I didn't think they could,I guess this kind of answers that ,although it's a long read it is interesting and offers some different opinions as to whether science is the answer to everything,
http://backtogodhead.in/todays-scien...r-taking-life/

[Kizzy]

I honestly can't see the difference between believing in god and believing aliens exist.... they are both supposed entities in the stars, what's the difference?
I prefer to keep an open mind, it would be ignorant to dismiss everything just as I haven't witnessed it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I honestly can't see the difference between believing in god and believing aliens exist.... they are both supposed entities in the stars, what's the difference?
I prefer to keep an open mind, it would be ignorant to dismiss everything just as I haven't witnessed it.

really you can't see a difference? how many millions of people have been killed in wars because people believe in UFOs?? oh yea, none. that's the difference. Millions have been killed in religious wars though.

that's a pretty big difference, right Kizzy?

there is no "Pope" of UFOs and if anyone claims to be a Pope of UFOs he's laughed off the stage. when christians laugh the Pope of christianity off the stage, then we'll be on the same page.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really you can't see a difference? how many millions of people have been killed in wars because people believe in UFOs?? oh yea, none. that's the difference. Millions have been killed in religious wars though.

that's a pretty big difference, right Kizzy?

there is no "Pope" of UFOs and if anyone claims to be a Pope of UFOs he's laughed off the stage. when christians laugh the Pope of christianity off the stage, then we'll be on the same page.

"The Pope of UFOs" would be the best username. Ever.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really you can't see a difference? how many millions of people have been killed in wars because people believe in UFOs?? oh yea, none. that's the difference. Millions have been killed in religious wars though.

that's a pretty big difference, right Kizzy?

there is no "Pope" of UFOs and if anyone claims to be a Pope of UFOs he's laughed off the stage. when christians laugh the Pope of christianity off the stage, then we'll be on the same page.

Nowhere in my post was I suggesting there was or had been alex, I was just drawing a comparison between god and aliens is all.... I am aware there have been many conflicts in the name of religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I honestly can't see the difference between believing in god and believing aliens exist.... they are both supposed entities in the stars, what's the difference?
I prefer to keep an open mind, it would be ignorant to dismiss everything just as I haven't witnessed it.

There is a huge difference. To understand how the universe was made, how planets are formed from space materials and how stars and galaxies form - to understand the chemistry needed for life to start on certain planets under certain conditions like in this galaxy and then to understand the number of similar galaxies that are around it would be mathematically folly to not think there was life elsewhere. To compare that to believing in a god based on some 2000 year old bog standard superstition is just not comparable.

Its not ignorant to dismiss religion, most people do so on the evidence that is set before them as they would about believing in anything. You can have an open mind but by your definition you are also open to leprechauns, giant hay eating dinosaurs that live in the earths core, moomins, clangers, dragons who live in the welsh hills and all sorts of crazy bat**** stuff.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is a huge difference. To understand how the universe was made, how planets are formed from space materials and how stars and galaxies form - to understand the chemistry needed for life to start on certain planets under certain conditions like in this galaxy and then to understand the number of similar galaxies that are around it would be mathematically folly to not think there was life elsewhere. To compare that to believing in a god based on some 2000 year old bog standard superstition is just not comparable.

Its not ignorant to dismiss religion, most people do so on the evidence that is set before them as they would about believing in anything. You can have an open mind but by your definition you are also open to leprechauns, giant hay eating dinosaurs that live in the earths core, moomins, clangers, dragons who live in the welsh hills and all sorts of crazy bat**** stuff.

2000? try 15,000 that's when ancient civilisations were trying to leave us information.... What I'm suggesting is that what we call 'god' is an alien and they have been here.
If you can open your mind enough to contemplate the infinate nature of the universe that doesn't seem so unlikely does it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

2000? try 15,000 that's when ancient civilisations were trying to leave us information.... What I'm suggesting is that what we call 'god' is an alien and they have been here.
If you can open your mind enough to contemplate the infinate nature of the universe that doesn't seem so unlikely does it?

Which ancient 15,000 year old civilizations were leaving "us" messages?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Which ancient 15,000 year old civilizations were leaving "us" messages?

Well not 'us' in particular, I wasn't intending on that to be taken so literally you understand?
But the ancient Egyptians and the Mayans have both alluded to beings in their writings.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Which ancient 15,000 year old civilizations were leaving "us" messages?

Sumerians from the Mesopotamian area

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh, i just read - unproven hokum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

[Kizzy]

To be fair the whole concept of aliens remains 'hokum' if you're looking for concrete proof?
And when searching for information wiki isn't gospel...... lol.

You wondered if there was evidence of religion prior to 2000yrs ago, as josy stated there was 3000+ yrs prior that.
What were they worshipping?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To be fair the whole concept of aliens remains 'hokum' if you're looking for concrete proof?
And when searching for information wiki isn't gospel...... lol.

You wondered if there was evidence of religion prior to 2000yrs ago, as josy stated there was 3000+ yrs prior that.
What were they worshipping?

I assume they would just take a look at the world around them, be unable to explain it and so conjure up some form of ethereal creature/s to fill in the gaps. 'Let's have a God for the big bright yellow thing in the sky, let's have one for making babies and one that allows me to murder that tribe over there and not feel bad about it.'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I assume they would just take a look at the world around them, be unable to explain it and so conjure up some form of ethereal creature/s to fill in the gaps. 'Let's have a God for the big bright yellow thing in the sky, let's have one for making babies and one that allows me to murder that tribe over there and not feel bad about it.'

Where did the concept of 'god' come from?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where did the concept of 'god' come from?

it came from egomaniacal men that wanted more power, so they frightened people by telling them that they knew all of their deepest darkest secret (god is always watching) so they used God as an excuse to make people feel guilty about themselves, and therefore submit to them (and 10% of their income)

it's a scam, and it's always been a scam.

oh and they threw in the added bonus that God loves you, and is always taking care of you, and you are a very special person who God loves. and if he doesn't take care of you, it's because of the Devil, so God never actually has to take accountability for anything bad that happens, let's just blame it on the Devil if something bad happens.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it came from egomaniacal men that wanted more power, so they frightened people by telling them that they knew all of their deepest darkest secret (god is always watching) so they used God as an excuse to make people feel guilty about themselves, and therefore submit to them (and 10% of their income)

it's a scam, and it's always been a scam.

oh and they threw in the added bonus that God loves you, and is always taking care of you, and you are a very special person who God loves. and if he doesn't take care of you, it's because of the Devil, so God never actually has to take accountability for anything bad that happens, let's just blame it on the Devil if something bad happens.

That's a rather jaded modern take on religion, for thousands of years people have worshipped and revered the 'spirits in the sky'...in just the same way UFO watchers do now. Watching and waiting.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

oh and they threw in the added bonus that God loves you, and is always taking care of you, and you are a very special person who God loves. and if he doesn't take care of you, it's because of the Devil, so God never actually has to take accountability for anything bad that happens, let's just blame it on the Devil if something bad happens.

There is no blame though, due to the free will parts of some religions.

The above explanation would be that the "devil" is the bad in anything, the temptation etc and "God" is the good. It's down to the person themselves which path they tread down as with anything. So if you lead a good life, it's not "credited" to God as you made your own decisions.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where did the concept of 'god' come from?

Humans are very creative animals. Faced by the complexity of life it's not beyond the realms of possibility they would construct deities or spirits or other mythological creatures to fill in the gaps.

There were people in the desert
with nothing much to do,
so they created god
and he created you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Humans are very creative animals. Faced by the complexity of life it's not beyond the realms of possibility they would construct deities or spirits or other mythological creatures to fill in the gaps.

How complex could life have been thousands of years ago?
That's one theory yes, it's surprising that joined up across the globe the same images were being replicated on continents that weren't aware of each others existance?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To be fair the whole concept of aliens remains 'hokum' if you're looking for concrete proof?
And when searching for information wiki isn't gospel...... lol.

You wondered if there was evidence of religion prior to 2000yrs ago, as josy stated there was 3000+ yrs prior that.
What were they worshipping?

I was referring to organised religion not tribes idol worshiping or sunworship.

[Livia]

Oi Trumpet... stop cracking on like you understand all this new-fangled science stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oi Trumpet... stop cracking on like you understand all this new-fangled science stuff.

lol

I listened to an explanation today on Jeramey Vine about how the universe went from an atom to a marble at first - sounds not too big but its the same as going from an ink dot to something bigger than out own galaxy. Stephen Hawkins also was on - by the end blood was coming out of my ears, i had wet myself and the dog was barking and trying to catch her tail.


I had to have 30 minutes of Bargain Hunt to equalize my own space time consortium

[Livia]

LOL... Bargain Hunt.

You should try The Big Bang Theory. I get all my scientific information and knowledge from that programme, and from Monty Python's Galaxy Song. In fact, scientifically speaking, The Big Bang Theory theme and the Galaxy Song combined contain more scientific information than I left school with.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I know FOR SURE that religion is a lie.

Of course you do.

Originally Posted by lostalex

I've not seen any compelling evidence for the validity of any religion.

I've not seen any evidence for the invalidity of any religion?

Originally Posted by lostalex

Religions have done that to people who don't believe in Jesus though, they have put them in insane asylums and concentration camps, and tortured them, lobotomized them, raped them. especially gay men.

Whether you believe he was the son of God or not, Jesus did exist so that's a bit of a non-argument.