[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Z

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway.

I think it is a big deal due to the religious connoctations and that it is enshrined in Islamic law, this last time I looked is not a Country that has to adhere to Shariah Law. All food sold in supermarkets has to be labelled correctly I don't know why that courtesy doesn't extend to restaurants.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway.

Feck Sake ZEE
its not the fact its Halal

Its the Fecking Fact that it was kept secret


You must know about being Honest
I mean your off to Russia to Report for Tibb Live News

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Feck Sake ZEE
its not the fact its Halal

Its the Fecking Fact that it was kept secret


You must know about being Honest
I mean your off to Russia to Report for Tibb Live News

I don't think it was as much kept a secret as just not publicised. The animal's just as dead, it's okay for anyone to eat Halal and it's not like the majority of meat eaters in this country are unduly concerned for the animal's welfare or abattoirs wouldn't be so grim and there wouldn't be so many horror stories. Maybe they thought it would give rise to lots of moaning about Sharia Law, and breed a little misguided feeling that Muslims were being unfairly catered for.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think it was as much kept a secret as just not publicised. The animal's just as dead, it's okay for anyone to eat Halal and it's not like the majority of meat eaters in this country are unduly concerned for the animal's welfare or abattoirs wouldn't be so grim and there wouldn't be so many horror stories. Maybe they thought it would give rise to lots of moaning about Sharia Law, and breed a little misguided feeling that Muslims were being unfairly catered for.

Yes Front Page
no less ,
on the biggest selling paper






Life In The City

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Front Page
no less ,
on the biggest selling paper






Life In The City

Oh that's okay then. The Sun being the fair and balanced publication that it is.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think it was as much kept a secret as just not publicised. The animal's just as dead, it's okay for anyone to eat Halal and it's not like the majority of meat eaters in this country are unduly concerned for the animal's welfare or abattoirs wouldn't be so grim and there wouldn't be so many horror stories. Maybe they thought it would give rise to lots of moaning about Sharia Law, and breed a little misguided feeling that Muslims were being unfairly catered for.

Exactly the point I was making.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Z

Exactly the point I was making.

We're so in-tune x

[Saph]

what even is halal

[arista]

Originally Posted by Saph

what even is halal

food blessed for muslims
and killed slowly with lots of Blood


Click the first post link

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by arista

food blessed for muslims
and killed slowly with lots of Blood


Click the first post link

actually it's killed fast to prevent suffering

[arista]

Originally Posted by Salman!

actually it's killed fast to prevent suffering

Some are
some are not

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Saph

what even is halal

Its a bronze age superstition that is passed on to children in the form of parental brainwashing and should not be encouraged in this country

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"Halal foods are foods that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.

The most common example of non-halal (or haraam) food is pork. While pork is the only meat that cannot be eaten by Muslims at all (due to historically, culturally, and religiously perceived hygienic concerns), foods other than pork can also be haraam. The criteria for non-pork items include their source, the cause of the animal's death, and how it was processed.

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.

Muslims must also ensure that all foods (particularly processed foods), as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal. Frequently, these products contain animal by-products or other ingredients that are not permissible for Muslims to eat or use on their bodies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a bronze age superstition that is passed on to children in the form of parental brainwashing and should not be encouraged in this country

The Bronze Age was about 4000 years ago. Islam is less than 1500 years old. Come on LT... if you're going to do this, you can't make schoolboy errors like that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Bronze Age was about 4000 years ago. Islam is less than 1500 years old. Come on LT... if you're going to do this, you can't make schoolboy errors like that.

the roots of the myths it is based on go way back to the bronze age

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the roots of the myths it is based on go way back to the bronze age

You're just making it up now...

[Z]

I get where you're coming from but I really don't think I've ever thought about where my food is coming from or the religious affiliations of the restaurant/people who work there whenever I've gone out for dinner and I'm not about to start now. I don't feel duped or tricked in any way, I'd imagine there'd have been a big furore if they'd made a big song and dance about how their meat is halal because there's a lot of religious intolerance and misconceptions about Islam in the UK (see: Marks and Spencers recent uproar about a tiny minority of Muslim staff not wanting to handle pork and alcohol) and everyone gets lumped into the same boat - it's just not something worth getting worked up about IMO, it tastes the same, it looks the same, a spade's a spade.

[Me. I Am Salman]

special message from Allah to LeatherTrumpet

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by Salman!

special message from Allah to LeatherTrumpet

Youtube video

Nice Car

[Nedusa]

It's probably pretty much impossible to know for sure if the meat you are eating is Halal as we have heard tales of meat from abbatoirs which is Halal having its labels switched or misplaced with non Halal meat ,so we never know for sure either way.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's probably pretty much impossible to know for sure if the meat you are eating is Halal as we have heard tales of meat from abbatoirs which is Halal having its labels switched or misplaced with non Halal meat ,so we never know for sure either way.

Do not say that
you will upset Salman

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

Do not say that
you will upset Salman

I certainly don't want to do that.

Think I have upset enough people on here recently.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I certainly don't want to do that.

Think I have upset enough people on here recently.

Thats good then

[Nedusa]

I think I heard that the Muslim prayer before slaughter is done over a loud speaker in the abbatoirs as they cannot afford an Iman to be present at every slaughter.

So I guess Capitalism trumps Islam in the chicken killing stakes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think I heard that the Muslim prayer before slaughter is done over a loud speaker in the abbatoirs as they cannot afford an Iman to be present at every slaughter.

So I guess Capitalism trumps Islam in the chicken killing stakes.

Thats fair enough
its all within the rules
time is money

[Christmas Dynasnow]

there must be a halal app they can use?