[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, VTS this week would have stopped any negative campaigns is all.
Looking at it objectively it's clear that VTE was pivotal in that, regardless of what kind of housemate you are or what your expectations are.

Definitely. If it had been VTS throughout Toya would probably be in the final too, a lot of people like her. Same with Jale maybe. Ash would have gone ages ago.

[Tip]

VTE only works if people genuinely don't care about the hm they are tactically voting to evict. If they cared about them (above others) they wouldn't select them for the campaign.

[Cold Sweat]

BB endorsed Helen the whole way – but why? I’m sure they could have booted her out had they so wanted and given how almost every aspect of the format has been twisted they could have found a convenient way of revoking the free pass – but they didn’t.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Definitely. If it had been VTS throughout Toya would probably be in the final too, a lot of people like her. Same with Jale maybe. Ash would have gone ages ago.

I would agree with that, I think Toya had a good fan base on here but those who liked her could do nothing to keep her in under vote to evict.
I wasn't keen on Toya myself to be honest but I do believe under vote to save, she would have got much further than she did.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would agree with that, I think Toya had a good fan base on here but those who liked her could do nothing to keep her in under vote to evict.
I wasn't keen on Toya myself to be honest but I do believe under vote to save, she would have got much further than she did.

As I really didn't take to Toya it's hard for me to be objective.

I don't think it's wrong to be facing voting that includes the attitudes of those that aren't in your fan base. I think if the majority of people don't care enough about you to be concerned about voting you out then you on a losing wicket anyway. You may stay in a bit longer and get a chance to sway opinions, but too bad really if you didn't do that sooner?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Tip

As I really didn't take to Toya it's hard for me to be objective.

I don't think it's wrong to be facing voting that includes the attitudes of those that aren't in your fan base. I think if the majority of people don't care enough about you to be concerned about voting you out then you on a losing wicket anyway. You may stay in a bit longer and get a chance to sway opinions, but too bad really if you didn't do that sooner?

I take your point,I just liked when BB on Channel 5 brought in vote to save because then, those who like and support ceratin housemates can get behind them and support them with their voting all through the series.

Vote to evict only opens the door for negative voting in my view and rarely is a test of true popularity too.
I guess I am just a firm vote to save guy who would like to be involved in my favourite housemate/s progress all through the series rather than just at the final.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Achilles

I would have enjoyed 2 months of Big Brother more without a Helen on my screen.

Me too she has really put a downer on this series for me, so much so can't wait until it finished, to quiet honest there have been times when I thought of stopping watching it cause of her.

[JCrow]

OMG! I know people have a right to their own opinion, but to make excuses for a godawful, horrible, nasty, disgusting excuse for a human-being is beyond me. I would
n't care if she became a bubbly, sweet thing after the first two weeks of her! There is no excuse for her behavior, none, don't even f'ing try it here I will not be swayed. Any sweetness she may have shone that I'm unaware of ( I don't watch live feeds or catch much of bots, I only see the broadcast show) still wouldn't matter unless she very sincerely apologized to those she wronged. And that doesn't mean apologizing a month later when you're trying to improve your F'ed up image. An apology in Helens case would most often be the next day after she sobered up. But even sober she the nastiest b**ch I've ever had the misfortune to watch, and thats saying something because I'm an American who has had to put up with the vile USA version of this show. The US version got so bad I had to hunt down the UK version and for the greater part it is so, so ,so much better. I've only seen this season so far but plan on watching previous seasons. But then Helen pops up, and Pauline, can't forget to put Pauline in this too, and I just start to lose hope. But Pauline was given the early boot and I was sure Helens pass would be revoked on principle, 1 of 2 aint bad. It would have been an award winner in my book if somewhere in the middle of the season Helen's pass got revoked because the show was being boycotted by the viewers. Blood-pressure is spiking, thanks Helen, must sign off before I stroke out. This was only going to be four sentences originally. Sorry for the ramble. To the point of the thread, I don't think Helen controlled anything other than Ash, Mark, Winston, and one or two others early on. Even then it wasn't total. Didn't turn out in her favor at the end either. Guilt by ASSociation for those of her brood that got the boot.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

I believe the housemates and I think alnost every single one of them has said Helen DOES have a control over the house on their eviction.

[jet]

Originally Posted by JCrow

OMG! I know people have a right to their own opinion, but to make excuses for a godawful, horrible, nasty, disgusting excuse for a human-being is beyond me. I would
n't care if she became a bubbly, sweet thing after the first two weeks of her! There is no excuse for her behavior, none, don't even f'ing try it here I will not be swayed. Any sweetness she may have shone that I'm unaware of ( I don't watch live feeds or catch much of bots, I only see the broadcast show) still wouldn't matter unless she very sincerely apologized to those she wronged. And that doesn't mean apologizing a month later when you're trying to improve your F'ed up image. An apology in Helens case would most often be the next day after she sobered up. But even sober she the nastiest b**ch I've ever had the misfortune to watch, and thats saying something because I'm an American who has had to put up with the vile USA version of this show. The US version got so bad I had to hunt down the UK version and for the greater part it is so, so ,so much better. I've only seen this season so far but plan on watching previous seasons. But then Helen pops up, and Pauline, can't forget to put Pauline in this too, and I just start to lose hope. But Pauline was given the early boot and I was sure Helens pass would be revoked on principle, 1 of 2 aint bad. It would have been an award winner in my book if somewhere in the middle of the season Helen's pass got revoked because the show was being boycotted by the viewers. Blood-pressure is spiking, thanks Helen, must sign off before I stroke out. This was only going to be four sentences originally. Sorry for the ramble.

Don't be sorry. It's understandable and I agree.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cold Sweat

BB endorsed Helen the whole way – but why? I’m sure they could have booted her out had they so wanted and given how almost every aspect of the format has been twisted they could have found a convenient way of revoking the free pass – but they didn’t.

Yes, I find that suspect as well. She gets all these warnings/reprimands, whatever, then a final one, then yet another one which kind of makes a nonsense of the word 'final' in this respect.
So basically she gets away with everything with no punishment whatsoever. Taking away her free pass would have been the obvious and sensible thing to do, for why should someone who behaves like she does repeatedly and breaks the rules (the breakout) be allowed to keep that privilege? It does make you wonder.

[Jules2]

Imo I think that Helen has held Ash back, he has been to happy to sit behind her, others have been afraid to nominate him for fear of the backlash. I feel that others have sat in her corner to avoid backlash.

However, I do not feel that Helen has a lot of respect for herself and I definitely feel that Winston was totally wrong to tell her she wouldnt win and just to be herself, this was when she misheard what was being said between Chris and Ashleigh. Winston was egging her on to sort the two of them out.

This week will be a case of divide and conquer, Ash has already begun this by saying he didnt agree with Chris and Ashleigh's friendship, I believe he said it looking at the camera. Mmmm very suspicious after all this time! It will be interesting to see how they treat each other this coming week.

No matter what though, when Chris goes he will be able to hold his head up high, I am hoping he gets a chance to display his llustration work. The others will hold their heads up high regardless as they will have the support of their disillusioned ex HMs especilly those who like sour grapes.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I take your point,I just liked when BB on Channel 5 brought in vote to save because then, those who like and support ceratin housemates can get behind them and support them with their voting all through the series.

Vote to evict only opens the door for negative voting in my view and rarely is a test of true popularity too.
I guess I am just a firm vote to save guy who would like to be involved in my favourite housemate/s progress all through the series rather than just at the final.

Hi Joey, it will be interesting to see how many vote to save the 6 remaining people. I think if it had been to save Pav wouldnt be there now as the public didnt see the point of him in the beginning, he now has a bit of a fan base.

It is difficult, with the VTE would you agree that more money was spent? I spent to save 3 but to get others out. Alternatively maybe it doesnt make any difference because I am still going to vote for my 3 favourites to be the last 3 standing. Others though, may only vote to save their favourite?

[tanussa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The thing is, what this series has highlighted is that it really doesn't matter how extreme characters are, how much things are manipulated, it always gets back to an equilibrium at some point. We now have 2 in the good camp, 2 in the evil camp, and 2 floaters

I wouldnt go as far as calling ashleigh and chris evil, just really unlikeable

[Ammi]

..I also think that no matter who was in the house/which other housemates there may have been the Helen would have still been the same and the same confrontations/bad feelings etc would have occurred only with a different 'character list' because the problem with Helen is Helen....she only sees negative in anyone who doesn't agree with all she says and does...and there will be negative there/we all have those traits but with Helen it's not a case of just..oh, I do that sometimes/I would be the same etc because most of us have negativity in balance but with Helen it's an extreme and a total imbalance to her personality...I have a feeling that given time and the exhaustion of it all, even her 'friends' would become 'enemies' as well because at some point they would have to disagree with something and that's not something she finds able to cope with at all...so it all becomes more a paranoid vicious circle for her of 'not being able to trust people' but she's the one who causes and projects it all...to have empathy for her or any real understanding, she must show that to others first which I've not really seen more than a fleeting amount...because people in general will never take time to try to understand or empathise and only judge her if she makes their environment so unpleasant and that's just life really....you gets what you gives etc....

[Jules2]

For me I vote to save my favourite, I look at all the clues re nomination, who is going to nominate him/her next time. Who is my person at odds with etc. etc. With this last one my main aim was to get Chris through the night, therefore I voted to evict Pav as at one time, it was a close call between them. Just tactical voting on my part. I also put in votes for Winston, once again many did the same and it worked, I honestly didnt think it would but I wasnt sorry. It was within Winston's supporters ability to watch what was happening. I think had it been a vote to save I would have done the same thing with my 3 favourites.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Hi Joey, it will be interesting to see how many vote to save the 6 remaining people. I think if it had been to save Pav wouldnt be there now as the public didnt see the point of him in the beginning, he now has a bit of a fan base.

It is difficult, with the VTE would you agree that more money was spent? I spent to save 3 but to get others out. Alternatively maybe it doesnt make any difference because I am still going to vote for my 3 favourites to be the last 3 standing. Others though, may only vote to save their favourite?

Hi Jules2.
Yes I agree as to Pav too,in fact it wouldn't surprise me if those voting now for a winner are so fed up of the others that a good few turn to Pav.
I admit I wanted him out from the week they went in but he has ridden the storm,been up every week he has been there so who knows.

Probably more money is spent as to vote to evict I do agree and like you I will be voting for at least 2 housemates to win,one Female and one Male.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I also think that no matter who was in the house/which other housemates there may have been the Helen would have still been the same and the same confrontations/bad feelings etc would have occurred only with a different 'character list' because the problem with Helen is Helen....she only sees negative in anyone who doesn't agree with all she says and does...and there will be negative there/we all have those traits but with Helen it's not a case of just..oh, I do that sometimes/I would be the same etc because most of us have negativity in balance but with Helen it's an extreme and a total imbalance to her personality...I have a feeling that given time and the exhaustion of it all, even her 'friends' would become 'enemies' as well because at some point they would have to disagree with something and that's not something she finds able to cope with at all...so it all becomes more a paranoid vicious circle for her of 'not being able to trust people' but she's the one who causes and projects it all...to have empathy for her or any real understanding, she must show that to others first which I've not really seen more than a fleeting amount...because people in general will never take time to try to understand or empathise and only judge her if she makes their environment so unpleasant and that's just life really....you gets what you gives etc....

Good points.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

If that's all you can manage, then...pffft.

It's all your ridiculous posts deserve.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The comment heading this thread was made by another member on their own thread, I have commented on that thread and see no need for this thread which I think is an awful one

Spill that tea Joey.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone who's been close to Helen has been picked off by the public one at a time. Now she's left with just Ash. I think that says everything about Helen, her clique and their attitude that anyone needs to know. People don't like aggressive bullies and they don't like bitchy cliques.

Or it says a lot about the twitter campaigns who spend an awful lot of their money on phone votes.

I'd never waste my money on this farce of a programme.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's funny really Riona because I'm almost the complete opposite...I had all of those sympathies and empathies at the beginning and tried to 'look beyond' her behaviour as to why she reacts the way she does...but then 'understanding' it doesn't change it or the results of it or the effects on the people she dislikes and 'targets'...the people at the end of her wrath which is guised as 'honesty'...and all of the housemates and indeed all of us also have a past/experiences that make us what we are...and no such allowances would be made for any of us and no such allowances are made for any other housemate in the same way so it's a bit like bringing her past in as a negative and judging her on it..?...if it's to be left out of the house..(which is right..)..then it has to be completely left out with no allowances either..that was my thought process anyway....

Fair enough Ammi That's what these forums are for and I admire the way you put your views across as even though I don't agree with them you have made your case without slagging off either the housemate or me. Maybe I am a sucker but I would give her a chance. I am not talking about her past with the Wayne Rooney incident or anything that was in the public eye. I don't know ..... maybe the father of her son hurt her and maybe its no excuse for he behaviour but I have grown to like her far far more than I like either Chris or Ashleigh and I know I am in the minority

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not getting into any he said/ she said, but the amount of hate threads is reaching ridiculous proportions.

I didn't expect you to, a simple yes or no would suffice.

[poppsywoppsy]

The thing is, I really think Helen has been the least entertaining housemate by her continual moaning and daily character assassinations.

It is all she does, even when she broke out of the house, it was to cause trouble, why she thought it amusing that several nearly thirty something's would repeat something that was done many years ago and we would find it makes the series, well get real you numpties.

Ash laughs at others antics but has only contributed one good task, his magic one. Helen has half heatedly contributed to tasks but they were forgettable.

She argues, character assassinates, finds fun in others misfortunes and moans and moans and moans.

We all know she would be gone ASAP, without the pass, so she doesn't deserve to be in the final and is only there by default.

Her big new worry is how she will be treated by those who find her dreadful when she leaves the house, especially as her prostitute mate has said her and Helen are barred from nightspots in their area. I don't think many will tread on eggshells around her when she gets out and shoots her mouth off, she should be concerned.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She is an ex hooker on a channel 5 reality show. perspective ... Anyone?? No?

No she wasn't.. where the hell did you get that from??