[sungrass]

Yeah today has been a very useful episode. I cant vote for either Ashleigh or Helen. Neither of them deserve to win - who does?! This series is impossible.
None of them are likable.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by sungrass

Yeah today has been a very useful episode. I cant vote for either Ashleigh or Helen. Neither of them deserve to win - who does?! This series is impossible.
None of them are likable.

At least Helen wears her heart on her sleave whereas Ashleigh is a devious nasty little cow who sneaks around spitting her poison.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

At least Helen wears her heart on her sleave whereas Ashleigh is a devious nasty little cow who sneaks around spitting her poison.

thats not a heart its an implant that fell out of her boob

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thats not a heart its an implant that fell out of her boob

[Achilles]

Helen and her nasty gang cause the divide because they are nasty people. People have such memories and forget the start of the show? When Helen and her nasty gang bullied Christopher and Jale? Funny how people forget that.
We KNOW the reason she didn't like them. Christopher is Irish and Jale is fat. She called Jale slug. Helen is nasty scum. It is depressing that people defend her and even more depressing that people support her.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen and her nasty gang cause the divide because they are nasty people. People have such memories and forget the start of the show? When Helen and her nasty gang bullied Christopher and Jale? Funny how people forget that.
We KNOW the reason she didn't like them. Christopher is Irish and Jale is fat. She called Jale slug. Helen is nasty scum. It is depressing that people defend her and even more depressing that people support her.

your memory seems a little shaky there

Helen was a nasty cow when she was friends with Pauline and Toya, when Pauling went, Helen started to distance herself from the nasty Toya, and while Toya and Ashleigh were bullying Danielle (by keeping her from mixing with others) Helen was busy getting to know the fun people better. You seem to forget that Pauline and Toya were the main bullies of Christopher & Jale and Pauline with Chris too. Helen made a few nasty comments but ultimately was mixing with everyone. Toya decided her little crew would not be allowed to mix with the others and thats when the divide began. Toyas nightmare tirade at Christopher, in the bedroom, with ashleigh sitting there, was the most disgusting type of bullying but you seem to forget that
Ashleigh wasnt even there for the first few weeks for most of us, but once she showed herself, it was to be a nasty little bitch, which is why she fitted in with Toya, Matthew & Pauline so well. If pointless pav and that stupid Zoe had stuck to their plan and voted Ashleigh out, I think danielle would have had a great time for once in 9 weeks!!

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen and her nasty gang cause the divide because they are nasty people. People have such memories and forget the start of the show? When Helen and her nasty gang bullied Christopher and Jale? Funny how people forget that.
We KNOW the reason she didn't like them. Christopher is Irish and Jale is fat. She called Jale slug. Helen is nasty scum. It is depressing that people defend her and even more depressing that people support her.

You would also remember that Ashleigh played a part in the isolation of Jale too...

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You would also remember that Ashleigh played a part in the isolation of Jale too...

That gets conveniently swept under the carpet.

[Marsh.]

I just don't see why it all needed dragging up. The house would've been fine.

Give them a few tasks and let them enjoy the final week.

But, no, BB thinks they can't have a moment when manufactured drama isn't a part of the show.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

I agree. All she does is sit with Chris and bitch behind people's backs.

[Amy Jade]

She was the soul cause of the divide. Kimberly repeatedly tried to involve Ashleigh and Danielle in the bigger group and help them feel more accepted and her efforts were rebuffed with scorn from them both.

The only person Helen alienated was Jale and she said sorry and got to know Jale well after.

[Babschap]

No she don't, it Helen who causes a divide.

[JCrow]

For the most part, I think Ashleigh removes herself because Helen jumps on everything she says, all the F'ing time. Helen is just waiting for her to say anything in the hopes that she can say some horrid thing and grin her evil grin and have a laugh with her brood about it. So, if you really think about it, its still pretty much Helens doing. For the most part.

[Mystic Mock]

They've both helped cause the divide tbf, but I don't like how certain people just pile all the blame on Helen all because Ashleigh is out of this world attractive and 18 years old, she's a young adult so she should be as equally responsible for this divide as Helen is.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

They've both helped cause the divide tbf, but I don't like how certain people just pile all the blame on Helen all because Ashleigh is out of this world attractive and 18 years old, she's a young adult so she should be as equally responsible for this divide as Helen is.

I don't think that's why people don't blame Ashleigh, that's not why I don't at least. Helen being an obnoxious bitch and Ashleigh isolating herself from said obnoxious bitch explains why those two never got along. But until very recently, Ashleigh was never in a power position in the house to enforce any sort of divide on a larger scale. Helen's pretty much been The Power Housemate socially speaking the whole game courtesy of Pauline giving her a pass to the final, and the divide pretty much resonated from how Helen treated anyone who wasn't on her side.

[Robodog]

Ashleigh 100% started the divide between her and Helen !

She started off bitching with Danielle calling Helen 'vile human being' etc (Helen said nothing about Ashleigh like that at this point in the series)

But then it REALLY kicked in with Ashleigh's 'evil plan' to exclude Helen from all the girls and manipulate them into not saving Ash

Helen had no problem with Ashleigh until she heard that in the gossip app task (and also the morgue when BB showed them snippets of Ashleigh's bitching)

Ashleigh started on Helen first. No question. We all saw it.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Ashleigh 100% started the divide between her and Helen !

She started off bitching with Danielle calling Helen 'vile human being' etc (Helen said nothing about Ashleigh like that at this point in the series)

But then it REALLY kicked in with Ashleigh's 'evil plan' to exclude Helen from all the girls and manipulate them into not saving Ash

Helen had no problem with Ashleigh until she heard that in the gossip app task (and also the morgue when BB showed them snippets of Ashleigh's bitching)

Ashleigh started on Helen first. No question. We all saw it.

Ashleigh has eyes and saw how Helen treated others. She was a vile human being those first few weeks, which is why she had hardly any support outside the house.

Helen doesn't need to start on Ashleigh for Ashleigh to dislike her. Watching her be nasty about others was more than enough to form a negative opinion of Helen.

[Christmas time]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Ashleigh has eyes and saw how Helen treated others. She was a vile human being those first few weeks, which is why she had hardly any support outside the house.

Helen doesn't need to start on Ashleigh for Ashleigh to dislike her. Watching her be nasty about others was more than enough to form a negative opinion of Helen.

And I suppose ashley is a saint ? Disowned two of her best mates ... constantly miserable. ... evicted one of her mates giving a very poor excuse .... bitched about kimberley constantly behind her back.... yeah what a role model....



TEAM HELEN
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[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Ashleigh 100% started the divide between her and Helen !

She started off bitching with Danielle calling Helen 'vile human being' etc (Helen said nothing about Ashleigh like that at this point in the series)

But then it REALLY kicked in with Ashleigh's 'evil plan' to exclude Helen from all the girls and manipulate them into not saving Ash

Helen had no problem with Ashleigh until she heard that in the gossip app task (and also the morgue when BB showed them snippets of Ashleigh's bitching)

Ashleigh started on Helen first. No question. We all saw it.

Ashleigh started a divide between herself and Helen, but Helen started the divide between the entire house.

Why was Ashleigh calling her vile? Because of the way she was picking on hms she didn't deem cool enough to be in her own group, banging around the house as if she owned the place, and generally showing aggression in confrontational situations. The things she said about Danielle were honestly awful. If you don't want people to dislike you, then don't be a dick to them and their friends.

Just because Ashleigh slated Helen first doesn't mean she instigated the full house divide. Helen did that all on her own in my opinion (with the help of Pauline maybe!)

[Tom4784]

Ashleigh's reactions are a response to Helen's aggression. Why should Ashleigh be expected to offer Helen an olive branch when Helen's been nothing but a rampaging bitch to her and her friends? If Helen knew how to act like a human being then there wouldn't be such a big divide in that house as she wouldn't have alienated most of the housemates. Helen likes to blame everyone but herself even though she has been the main catalyst for all the trouble.

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ashleigh's reactions are a response to Helen's aggression. Why should Ashleigh be expected to offer Helen an olive branch when Helen's been nothing but a rampaging bitch to her and her friends? If Helen knew how to act like a human being then there wouldn't be such a big divide in that house as she wouldn't have alienated most of the housemates. Helen likes to blame everyone but herself even though she has been the main catalyst for all the trouble.

[FlippingEck]

I don't believe Helen HAS caused a divide to be honest... you are more than welcome to join her sitting and chatting, you just have to take her as you find her and play by her rules... that's not creating a divide!!!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

I don't believe Helen HAS caused a divide to be honest... you are more than welcome to join her sitting and chatting, you just have to take her as you find her and play by her rules... that's not creating a divide!!!

So you're basically admitting that Helen can't interact with anyone on terms other than her own, gotcha.

[user104658]

SERIOUSLY, the only reasonable assessment of the situation is that they (and plenty of others in the house) are responsible for the divide. It's absurd to blame one or the other. Danielle, Chris, Steven, Kimberly, Toya, Jale... you can even rewind back to the very beginning and throw Pauline in there - she was the very first instigator of division in the house. In fact, I think people have forgotten that "Pauline effect", I genuinely think that in her short time there she did a lot to set the tone for the entire series. She threw a massive spanner into that (very important) initial "bonding period" in the first few weeks and it all snowballed from there. Pauline: J'accuse!!!

As for the two on trial... Helen could be considered the cause because she's been aggressive and cliquey and that's the main reason that some have disliked her and have stayed away from her. Or Ashleigh could be blamed because she has never really been interested in properly trying to sort it out. But then, Helen doesn't HAVE to like everyone, there's nothing inherently "wrong" with being cliquey. And there's likewise nothing wrong with not being arsed about making an effort with someone you aren't really interested in getting along with.

They're both to blame but there is no "blame"... I personally am not a big believer in the whole "everyone should get along!" thing. It's OK for people to just not like each other!

[EdemMusic]

I disagree. Helen has been the cause of the divide, its blatantly obvious, Judge Judy James hit the nail on the head.