[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Now that I've seen how Gary 'interrupted' and he didn't do it in a rude way at all, I wonder why James got all twisted up about it and spoke to Gary in such a horrible way. WTF!

No excuse for that at all, but the one thing that stops me from completely condemning him is the way he is the only one who really gets blasted and hated for his treatment of Gary which means the others treatment of him gets diluted and not talked about much.

Examples: The way Ricci told him he was dirty and disgusting. The way Stephanie stamped her foot and yelled over him and sniggers when he is being 'told off'. The way Dee tells him not to touch the pizza with his hands, and tells the other HM's not to worry, she'll wash Gary's clothes separately as if he's a leper. The way George also speaks to him in the same patronizing way James does and says he didn't think he was coming into an old peoples home.
If Ricci thinks he is dirty and disgusting, how does he behave around Gary that we don't see? And the others I mentioned too. They seem to just stay out of his way and treat him like a bad smell under their nose, but because James actually bothers to interact with him he gets the brunt of it all.
Not excusing his behaviour at all, it's uncalled for, but remember that many of the others as as bad in their own way and we'd probably see it if they actually took any time to be with him.

..I don't think the others do 'get away with it' Jet or even if their part is diluted in any way because it is equally discussed whenever their has been a particular incident and the 'pack thing' and 'bullying' have been referred to in many posts which includes them all...I think that James is discussed more in general because he's extremely pompous and self important..(I personally think that comes from extreme insecurities..)...but we all talk about the ones 'we love to hate' more than the ones that are actually ok just because it creates 'lively conversations'.....I also think that maybe James was criticised a bit more at the beginning because he was the first one to seem to 'create' a situation with Gary that need not have happened in the first place but then seemed to also portray that he calmed that situation as well..and also maybe because he does seem to take some time with Gary and more than others then immediately mocks/laughs or is mean about him to someone else immediately after, which is not something anyone else does so much... it just adds an extra layer od how duplicitous he has been with Gary because he's constantly telling him that he's being his friend, you know..?..

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't think the others do 'get away with it' Jet or even if their part is diluted in any way because it is equally discussed whenever their has been a particular incident and the 'pack thing' and 'bullying' have been referred to in many posts which includes them all...I think that James is discussed more in general because he's extremely pompous and self important..(I personally think that comes from extreme insecurities..)...but we all talk about the ones 'we love to hate' more than the ones that are actually ok just because it creates 'lively conversations'.....I also think that maybe James was criticised a bit more at the beginning because he was the first one to seem to 'create' a situation with Gary that need not have happened in the first place but then seemed to also portray that he calmed that situation as well..and also maybe because he does seem to take some time with Gary and more than others then immediately mocks/laughs or is mean about him to someone else immediately after, which is not something anyone else does so much... it just adds an extra layer od how duplicitous he has been with Gary because he's constantly telling him that he's being his friend, you know..?..

James is a pompous twat but I guess I'm just tired of coming on here and seeing over half the threads going on about James James James James James did this...did that...over and over and over.
It's reached the point where every little thing he does is picked up on and talked about to death and some of the others behaviour towards Gary is sometimes overlooked or given lip service in the midst of the James hate fest (and I can't blame anyone for hating him by the way, but really!.)
I am more interested in the dynamics of the relationship between Gary and James - why James is fascinated with him yet so frustrated and angry with him etc. and why Gary still hangs out with him, asks him to do some things for him, and tolerates him. I tried to talk about this earlier on in the series but just got the 'James is horrible' stuff. So it's pointless really.

I wish James was up for eviction this week and gone Wednesday because him and his twatness (is that a word?) is dominating the forum and it's personally boring me no end. JMO.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

James is a pompous twat but I guess I'm just tired of coming on here and seeing over half the threads going on about James James James James James did this...did that...over and over and over.
It's reached the point where every little thing he does is picked up on and talked about to death and some of the others behaviour towards Gary is sometimes overlooked or given lip service in the midst of the James hate fest (and I can't blame anyone for hating him by the way, but really!.)
I am more interested in the dynamics of the relationship between Gary and James - why James is fascinated with him yet so frustrated and angry with him etc. and why Gary still hangs out with him, asks him to do some things for him, and tolerates him. I tried to talk about this earlier on in the series but just got the 'James is horrible' stuff. So it's pointless really.

I wish James was up for eviction this week and gone Wednesday because him and his twatness (is that a word?) is dominating the forum and it's personally boring me to distraction. JMO.

..it's a good word and fairly much covers his personality so it's now officially a BB word anyway.....hmmmm, I understand what you're saying..I think BB with the HL shows create much less of a balance than they used to so there is more of a 'villain and victim' type thing/storyline and James in this show is being portrayed as the 'villain' and will endlessly be talked about...?....I don't think Gary is a 'victim' though as such but just being subjected to a general group intolerance thing and being treated meanly, almost as if he's 'less than'/not respected at all as a person..?....I think that might be because there are things about him that are extremely annoying to live with as well which I understand but with someone else, another housemate, they would maybe have been handled with more patience and tolerance because Gary is just not liked or 'popular'...I find that interesting..(and worrying..)..that empathy is lost for someone if it's someone who is quite unpopular..?...


..I'm not sure James is fascinated with Gary, I don't see any interest there in him at all...he isn't interested in anything Gary has to say or any of his thoughts/beliefs etc...I think James has to feel 'important' ..has to prove himself somehow and it's interesting that the two people he has clashed with most in the house are the most 'vulnerable' with Gary and his impairment which causes him to become frustrating to the other housemates..?..so someone James can easily very much feel importance over by 'feeding' the dislike of the other housemates by constantly criticising Gary because he knows his actions and words will have 'popularity' with the others..therefore enforcing his feeling of 'Alpha' by treating Gary badly but yet also being the one to occasionally do things for him, which he constantly then points out so all are aware including Gary himself...

..and then there is also Audley, who is very much an 'Alpha' figure and by his size as well as his personality so James has 'preened his feathers' there and told him quite early on how he's not scared of him......(he will be really otherwise he would be dumb/have you seen the size of Audley...)..but he has to 'prove' outwardly to the others (and viewers..) that he isn't...it's so important for him to be the 'leader'/the Alpha...?...he has to tell us all and the housemates that he's intelligent/top of his game etc a real leader..?......interesting....also very insecure because he's the least comfortable with who he is than any of them I think...also interesting that (I think), he was fine with Kellie until more and more of Kellie's 'male' emerged in her aggression as well...maybe then started seeing her as a challenge to his 'Alpha'...?....

..maybe his relationship with Gary also started the way it did because he originally saw Gary is an Alpha but then it wasn't so, so he became the 'old alpha' that Gary didn't have much respect for but had to throw scraps of kindness to now and again....


..I'm making it up as I go along.....

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

James is a pompous twat but I guess I'm just tired of coming on here and seeing over half the threads going on about James James James James James did this...did that...over and over and over.
It's reached the point where every little thing he does is picked up on and talked about to death and some of the others behaviour towards Gary is sometimes overlooked or given lip service in the midst of the James hate fest (and I can't blame anyone for hating him by the way, but really!.)
I am more interested in the dynamics of the relationship between Gary and James - why James is fascinated with him yet so frustrated and angry with him etc. and why Gary still hangs out with him, asks him to do some things for him, and tolerates him. I tried to talk about this earlier on in the series but just got the 'James is horrible' stuff. So it's pointless really.

I wish James was up for eviction this week and gone Wednesday because him and his twatness (is that a word?) is dominating the forum and it's personally boring me no end. JMO.

I think it's because James keep giving us new fodder to be disgusted about. He is relentless in his hideousness.

[Creggle]

Love him or hate him he's an amazing villain.

(I hate him)

[jet]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Love him or hate him he's an amazing villain.

(I hate him)

I agree, which is why I wanted him kept in to the end - but the forum is so obsessed with him maybe it would be better around here and friendlier if he was booted?

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by jet

I agree, which is why I wanted him kept in to the end - but the forum is so obsessed with him maybe it would be better around here and friendlier if he was booted?

Heh maybe, wouldn't be worth him getting the boot though, Gary can MORE than handle whatever James throws at him, and he's making for some brilliant TV. I've never loved to hate someone this much before.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Heh maybe, wouldn't be worth him getting the boot though, Gary can MORE than handle whatever James throws at him, and he's making for some brilliant TV. I've never loved to hate someone this much before.

I was like that with Jim Davidson, whereas with Helen I just hated her without any enjoyment.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Creggle

Heh maybe, wouldn't be worth him getting the boot though, Gary can MORE than handle whatever James throws at him, and he's making for some brilliant TV. I've never loved to hate someone this much before.

..yeah I think that's it as well, it's because Gary is so laid back and doesn't get involved in 'house politics' and a lot washes over him ...on the whole I think he's enjoying himself ..(although very confused sometimes....)..so it's a bit more of a 'fun to hate' situation...James is the JR Ewing of CBB.....

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I think that's it as well, it's because Gary is so laid back and doesn't get involved in 'house politics' and a lot washes over him ...on the whole I think he's enjoying himself ..(although very confused sometimes....)..so it's a bit more of a 'fun to hate' situation...James is the JR Ewing of CBB.....

Exactly! Like he could give two sh!ts what people likes James and Stephanie say to him, he's no victim (which makes him so much more likeable, I can't stand victims in BB) all Gary is doing is showing the riff raff for who they are and giving us characters like James who are brilliant villains, without making us feel awkward (imo). Never watched Dallas though.

Originally Posted by jet

I was like that with Jim Davidson, whereas with Helen I just hated her without any enjoyment.

Not gonna lie, Helen was a guilty pleasure, she was brilliant to watch (in a kind of laugh at them way) but had her moments where she was likeable! She was an actual bully in the first few weeks though.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I think that's it as well, it's because Gary is so laid back and doesn't get involved in 'house politics' and a lot washes over him ...on the whole I think he's enjoying himself ..(although very confused sometimes....)..so it's a bit more of a 'fun to hate' situation...James is the JR Ewing of CBB.....

I liked JR.

[the truth]

hes a boring nasty shallow twat who is making the show infinitely worse. he may be paid by bb to be a twat or he may just be a twat 24/7 either way its boring. get rid lets have some fun