[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is not the same as dealing with homeless people, and homeless people I am not sure even exist as an entity as there are so many categories of why someone appreas to bbe homless..drugs, mental state, drink, rows at home, care stsyem etc

Homelessness does not exist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Homelessness does not exist?

no, the generic term homeless person for any beggar on the street sitting on the ground with a blanket and a cup

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Homelessness does not exist?

I share you exasperation Kizzy, it is far worse now than 4 years ago.

Now,it is not just the Govt. that should be doing more as to the homeless,I would agree with anyone as to that.
The Churches have a duty too, they spout off on the homeless every service they hold, then lock the doors of their fancy Churches which are warm and dry while leaving those homeless outside in all weathers,never bothering as to going around and seeing if they have basic food at least in the main.

It isn't a votewinner,the issue of homelessnes as LT said,however the thing the issue of homelessness should be for whatever govt. is in power at the time is a massive vote loser.
Those sitting on the street with a blanket,many are homeless, they may reside in a hostel at night but through the day have nothing at all and are effectively homeless with no permanent address.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Homelessness does not exist?

Of course it does.


But the Girl of 14 on this thread
has a home

It was another Scam

[Creggle]

He only did this to look good, or does he walk around with a guy who has a camera 24/7 for no apparent reason? Blatant set up, doesn't even attempt to hide it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He only did this to look good, or does he walk around with a guy who has a camera 24/7 for no apparent reason? Blatant set up, doesn't even attempt to hide it.

With respect there are always cameras wherever leading politicians of all parties go.

He didn't tell them to take the pictures,just as Cameron didn't when that guy ran into him.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I share you exasperation Kizzy, it is far worse now than 4 years ago.

Now,it is not just the Govt. that should be doing more as to the homeless,I would agree with anyone as to that.
The Churches have a duty too, they spout off on the homeless every service they hold, then lock the doors of their fancy Churches which are warm and dry while leaving those homeless outside in all weathers,never bothering as to going around and seeing if they have basic food at least in the main.

It isn't a votewinner,the issue of homelessnes as LT said,however the thing the issue of homelessness should be for whatever govt. is in power at the time is a massive vote loser.

Sure Joey
times are hard for some.

But not as hard as Africa



Yes Convert Every Church into Bunk bed dorms

[arista]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He only did this to look good, or does he walk around with a guy who has a camera 24/7 for no apparent reason? Blatant set up, doesn't even attempt to hide it.

Bang On Right

[Livia]

There was homelessness under Labour previously. There will be homelessness under Labour in the future.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure Joey
times are hard for some.

But not as hard as Africa



Yes Convert Every Church into Bunk bed dorms

Oh really arista, for goodness sake, we are not Africa, we are one of the richest Nations of the world.
Times should not be hard for anyone in the UK,it is govts. who when in power always fail those who should be protected and built up.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh really arista, for goodness sake, we are not Africa, we are one of the richest Nations of the world.
Times should not be hard for anyone in the UK,it is govts. who when in power always fail those who should be protected and built up.

Yes Joey We Built The World
and Owned America
I wish I had a Time Machine

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With respect there are always cameras wherever leading politicians of all parties go.

He didn't tell them to take the pictures,just as Cameron didn't when that guy ran into him.

He could of told them not to take it, a picture like this will only do more harm than good, he'll look like a pretentious dimwit and his supporters will look naive whenever he's bought up and they say things like 'he gives money to the homeless '.

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Joey We Built The World
and Owned America
I wish I had a Time Machine

Yep, bigger than the Roman empire yet what did we do? Gave it all back.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

There was homelessness under Labour previously. There will be homelessness under Labour in the future.

With the fullest respect as always,not as much as it has risen in these last 4 years,which I have sought out and seen and helped with from my own wish to do so.

Talking to welfare groups,the CAB and charities, they all say homelessness has risen faster in the last 4 years and the Govt. has been told endlessly of that.
They do nothing,except pay lip service to the issue.

Homelessness should,in my view, never be right or for that matter acceptable to rise under any Govt.
It should be the policy to find a solution with compassion as to it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He could of told them not to take it, a picture like this will only do more harm than good, he'll look like a pretentious dimwit and his supporters will look naive whenever he's bought up and they say things like 'he gives money to the homeless '.



Yep, bigger than the Roman empire yet what did we do? Gave it all back.

Tell a cameraman not to take a picture, that would make them all the more likely to do so.

Then he would have been derided for saying don't take a picture, for drawing more attention to the incident.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With the fullest respect as always,not as much as it has risen in these last 4 years,which I have sought out and seen and helped with from my own wish to do so.

Talking to welfare groups,the CAB and charities, they all say homelessness has risen faster in the last 4 years and the Govt. has been told endlessly of that.
They do nothing,except pay lip service to the issue.

Homelessness should,in my view, never be right or for that matter acceptable under any Govt.

And with respect back, Joey... If Ed Miliband really wants to do something, he needs to come up with a plan for getting young people, ex-military personnel, people with mental health problems off the streets and into jobs and homes. Instead he's captured by the press cynically putting money into the cup of a women who's come to this country probably specifically to beg. John Bird knows more about homelessness than I do and I defer to his summing up of Miliband's latest bit of ridiculousness. If the Tories, or indeed UKIP, get in at the next General Election it will be because Labour are being led by an donkey with no credence at all.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

And with respect back, Joey... If Ed Miliband really wants to do something, he needs to come up with a plan for getting young people, ex-military personnel, people with mental health problems off the streets and into jobs and homes. Instead he's captured by the press cynically putting money into the cup of a women who's come to this country probably specifically to beg. John Bird knows more about homelessness than I do and I defer to his summing up of Miliband's latest bit of ridiculousness. If the Tories, or indeed UKIP, get in at the next General Election it will be because Labour are being led by an donkey with no credence at all.

With my fullest respect,I am surprised,what an awful term to use for another human being.

Maybe he will do something if he wins power, for me he couldn't do any worse as to it than who is there at present.

[Kizzy]

Thus in 2012 rough sleeping in England rose 6%, as compared with 23% in 2011. In London, there was a rise of 13% in recorded rough sleeping in 2012/13,pushing the two year increase to over 60%. There are growing numbers of both UK and overseas nationals sleeping rough in the capital. After falling sharply for six years, the number of statutory homelessness acceptances has risen substantially (by 34%) over the past
three years, but the increase in 2012/13 (at 6%) is lower than the previous year (14%).
There is marked regional divergence, with the growth in statutory homelessness strongly concentrated in London and the South.


And what will the asses responsible for dreaming this do when 1000s of under 25 flood the streets?

'Homeless young people have hit out against the Conservatives plans to cut housing benefit for the 18-21s, saying it would force vulnerable young people onto the streets and unsafe environments.'

http://www.centrepoint.org.uk/news-e...e-young-people

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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With my fullest respect,I am surprised,what an awful term to use for another human being.

Maybe he will do something if he wins power, for me he couldn't do any worse as to it than who is there at present.

Considering some of the things that have been said about the Tories (although not by you, I hasten to add), it was quite mild.

[Kizzy]

This isn't tit for tat is it? this is discussing a matter that over the last 4yrs has escalated to endemic proportions. For me it's not a matter for nit picking who said what about whom.
Under no circumstances has this government done anything positive in relation to homelessness, and is on the cusp of making life for 1000s of under 21s more miserable what's to congratulate them for ...Nothing.
At least Ed acknowledges their existence, he can't do much else until in power can he?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh really arista, for goodness sake, we are not Africa, we are one of the richest Nations of the world.
Times should not be hard for anyone in the UK,it is govts. who when in power always fail those who should be protected and built up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This isn't tit for tat is it? this is discussing a matter that over the last 4yrs has escalated to endemic proportions. For me it's not a matter for nit picking who said what about whom.
Under no circumstances has this government done anything positive in relation to homelessness, and is on the cusp of making life for 1000s of under 21s more miserable what's to congratulate them for ...Nothing.
At least Ed acknowledges their existence, he can't do much else until in power can he?

ed gave money to a schoolgirl

he is the reason why beggars exist

he is a disgrace

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This isn't tit for tat is it? this is discussing a matter that over the last 4yrs has escalated to endemic proportions. For me it's not a matter for nit picking who said what about whom.
Under no circumstances has this government done anything positive in relation to homelessness, and is on the cusp of making life for 1000s of under 21s more miserable what's to congratulate them for ...Nothing.
At least Ed acknowledges their existence, he can't do much else until in power can he?

I was justifying a quote I made to joeysteele. No one was suggesting it's tit for tat, I was making the point that insulting politicians is not a way street.

Taking advantage of a cheap photo opportunity doesn't make Ed the saviour of the homeless, it makes a cynical opportunist. But then, I could never respect a man who shafted his own brother to get his job. Labour have to choose another leader if they've got any hope of doing well at the General Election. Right now he's the best weapon in the Tory arsenal and they're hoping against hope he's still the Labour leader next May.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Considering some of the things that have been said about the Tories (although not by you, I hasten to add), it was quite mild.

I was just surprised it came from you my great friend, I admire your posting on here and always will.
Usually when you and I respond to each others posts we always do so in context and I also hope in fairness as much as possible.
So I got a little shock when I read that response.

Even for me, Ed Miliband would not have been my choice of Labour leader from all the candidates there were and there were indeed a good few of them too to choose from.
However he got elected and I respect that but I also don't think he has made really any more gaffes than the other party leaders and so doesn't,just my opinion, warrant such personal abuse.
It is just his gaffes are front page news, while the others are mostly bypassed.

Quite frankly I now haven't a clue as to the 2015 election, for me it will likely be dominated sadly and tediously by where UKIP are in the polls every day that a poll is released.
I almost despair for the political process really at this time but I do still believe that despite Ed Miliband's current awkward position,Labour will be the largest party by a good number too.

I then hope he will do the things he has so far promised, to repeal as much of the NHS reforms as is possible, to get rid of the bedroom tax,to set in place an energy price rise freeze and to continue welfare reforms but adding compassion and sensitivity to the process,especially to those disabled and most vulnerable.

Then I would hope he will do whatever can be done to eradicate as much as possible the homeless on the streets.
In all cities, buildings are empty all over the place, surely rather than be left to decay and stand empty, these buildings could be put to some good use, even temporarily.
That would be a start and I think more is likely to be done by Miliband for all vulnerable people if he got power than will ever be done from either of the parties in this coalition Govt.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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With my fullest respect,I am surprised,what an awful term to use for another human being.

Maybe he will do something if he wins power, for me he couldn't do any worse as to it than who is there at present.

Win power...... Are you kidding ??

This Man is a Dead Party leader walking, the knives are out and the whispering campaign has started.

It is no secret now that most Labour Grandees and an increasing number of Labour MP's consider Miliband a total liability who surely only deliver failure at the next election.

So in my mind he is already gone, decision has made and now it's just a case of how to replace him without damaging the Party any further.

I think now we will see the whispering campaign gaining momentum in the Press until calls for his resignation become unstoppable .

Bye Bye Mr Miliband .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Win power...... Are you kidding ??

This Man is a Dead Party leader walking, the knives are out and the whispering campaign has started.

It is no secret now that most Labour Grandees and an increasing number of Labour MP's consider Miliband a total liability who surely only deliver failure at the next election.

So in my mind he is already gone, decision has made and now it's just a case of how to replace him without damaging the Party any further.

I think now we will see the whispering campaign gaining momentum in the Press until calls for his resignation become unstoppable .

Bye Bye Mr Miliband .....