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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet which I also think is important. They are all on a reality show with cameras everywhere. It was not a case of a woman going in alone to a toilet with a drunk guy, she had every right to believe that she was safe from any form of attack, passive or otherwise.

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[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by rionablue

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx

Great post 100% agree

[delta]

It's quite clear from the transcript you heard that Chloe was doing nothing but a caring, considerate person and attending to a fellow human being that was in need some care and attention in a potentially, vulnerable situation. He abused that situation in the most heinous way possible, it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a misinterpreted pass. It was one step down from rape, if he'd have been in the US he'd have been serving time now.

As for Ken, Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by delta

Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

This is an interesting thought does anyone know the score RE payment.If they are thrown out as opposed to being evicted do they still receive the full sum.?

I am assuming that any of the UK celebs who agree to participate will have watched previous shows so I also wonder what the producers feel about a contestant like Ken who knowing what to expect now makes it clear that he wants to go ASAP and take the money.

Perhaps they should make it the quicker you go the less you get as my understanding is that a lot of the Fee they receive comes from the funds generated by OUR votes.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by delta

It's quite clear from the transcript you heard that Chloe was doing nothing but a caring, considerate person and attending to a fellow human being that was in need some care and attention in a potentially, vulnerable situation. He abused that situation in the most heinous way possible, it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a misinterpreted pass. It was one step down from rape, if he'd have been in the US he'd have been serving time now.

As for Ken, Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

I agree,he shouldn't have done it , he did and apologised,but really the 'rape' connotations are ridiculous , just people wanting excitement from BB taking it way over the top, maybe when he saw her draped over the pool showing them all her tit tricks,he thought she didn't mind showing them off ,afterall I was a bit surprised she got so 'distressed' over a tit exposure and all these people that are up in arms,do they look at page 3,mucky movies and salivate over the female form, ?Jeremy did wrong,he got punished,it needs to die a death now ,sick of reading about it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jaxie

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

I know!He pulled her robe slightly to the side near her boob,He did'nt finger her ffs

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

One step down from rape? Please. And that is the problem with all the over reacting on this forum.

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by delta

It's quite clear from the transcript you heard that Chloe was doing nothing but a caring, considerate person and attending to a fellow human being that was in need some care and attention in a potentially, vulnerable situation. He abused that situation in the most heinous way possible, it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a misinterpreted pass. It was one step down from rape, if he'd have been in the US he'd have been serving time now.

As for Ken, Ken Morley is an intelligent man and knows what is and isn't acceptable. He's just looking for the quickest way to remove himself and is sailing as close to the wind as possible. He's clearly bored with the shower of sh!t that surrounds him.


Best possible thing to do is to keep him as he wants to leave so much, he'll wind 'em up even more and he doesn't get to have his own way.

Oh please !! cut the dramatics

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Oh please !! cut the dramatics

I can't believe I am actually agreeing with chuff. Hell must be crusting up a nice frost.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I can't believe I am actually agreeing with chuff. Hell must be crusting up a nice frost.

It happens to a lot of people, enjoy it and let it wash over you

[Gusto Brunt]

It should be a double eviction Tuesday, Ken and Chloe.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rionablue

In all the years of watching BB and CBB tonights show is top of the pile when it comes to an abslolutely SICKENING episode. Never have I been so disappointed in a housemate as I am with KEN the man I thought was legend in Coronation St all those years ago even though I was young when he appeared on it. I had high hopes for him and cheered when he entered the house. Now he has shown himself to be a vile, pervy old man who thinks its ok to say anything he wants to women with regard to sex etc. Telling Chloe that Jeremy was a big producer was like telling her she should have let him do what he wanted. he was commenting about the position of the pictures of the girls on the wall and saying something about 'giving head' he was on about the bathroom and watching the women and he made some comment to Cami about slut or *****. Ken SHOULD have been ejected tonight even BEFORE Jeremy. I think the reason Jeremy was ejected wasn't ENTIRELY because he groped Chloe it was because most of the OTHER housemates didn't feel comfortable with him. And I am NOT talking about Perez who went down in my estimation for trying making the whole thing about himself.

The thing that saddens me the most on reading the forum reactions to the Jeremy and Chloe situation is the amount of Chloe haters that are saying it was her own fault for going in there half naked (when some of the other girls were CLEARLY in there also) saying how she is MILKING the situation and blowing it out of proportion. In the Hazel and Daley situation much and all as I liked Hazel SHE DID FLIRT with Daley and they had been play acting before it. Chloe and the other girls felt sorry for Jeremy and went to help him. That in itself is a brave thing to do because there is nothing worse than watching someone PUKING their guts up.

When the incident happened Chloe was clearly heard saying Jeremy that is NOT ok. She then left the room in tears which I or many other women would have done. Even allowing for the fact that Jeremy was totally and utterly drunk the girl was HELPING him and not FLASHING at him. If it was KATIE who I completely dislike and think is an absolute bitch I would agree that he was wrong and she was right to be upset. Even if I don't like housemates if something like this happened to them I would see the situation WITH A HEART NOT an excuse to further put down my least favourite housemate.

Ken should be out of there straight away and if he isn't ejected SURELY there aren't people who will pick up their phones and vote to save him. Sorry my thread is so long but I am really passionate about the points I have made xx

Good post,but you got one thing wrong ,Jeremy did not grope her

[Macie Lightfoot]

The reason the word rape is getting thrown around so much is because situations like this perpetuate rape culture, as do some people blaming the victim.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

The reason the word rape is getting thrown around so much is because situations like this perpetuate rape culture, as do some people blaming the victim.

There isn't really a victim. Basically the guy looked down her robe. She was doing tit tricks earlier ffs. He touched her robe, he didn't grab her. I think the way some people are trying to make it into a rape case is crazy.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

There isn't really a victim. Basically the guy looked down her robe. She was doing tit tricks earlier ffs. He touched her robe, he didn't grab her. I think the way some people are trying to make it into a rape case is crazy.

She was bent over him,yes she had a robe on,but you know,I know we all know,when you bend over in a robe,you can see down the front,they are not fitted to the body,they are loose,so maybe a bra would have been appropriate,tell me what guy wouldn't have had a sneaky peek,he shouldn't have touched her robe,but we all do things when we are drunk that we really shouldn't,anyway that aside it seems a mountain has been made out of a molehill

[chuff me dizzy]

She went into the toilet he was in,he didn't invite her ,and the Oscar winning hyper ventilating had me in stitches I thought any minute now St Nadias going to throw her to the floor, put her in the recovery position and perform CPR

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She was bent over him,yes she had a robe on,but you know,I know we all know,when you bend over in a robe,you can see down the front,they are not fitted to the body,they are loose,so maybe a bra would have been appropriate,tell me what guy wouldn't have had a sneaky peek,he shouldn't have touched her robe,but we all do things when we are drunk that we really shouldn't,anyway that aside it seems a mountain has been made out of a molehill

The voice of reason.Thank god!

[rusticgal]

He made a bad error of judgement. He didn't grope her he had a peek...he should not have done it. IF he groped her then that would have been assault and I got the impression that that's what he did, but I now think that it was a peek.
You must be of a certain character to make a living as a topless model etc... I am sure she gets plenty of attention in that area so you would think she could handle that sort of attention by now. If he had a peek then she should just have smacked his hand and told him it was inappropriate...and left as she did. These girls don't mind flaunting their bits when it suits them.... Cami exposing an intimate tattoo 2 days ago!!!...and they are both flirting big time.
Maybe he did touch her inappropriately...in which case I understood her reaction completely because that's unacceptable.
It's a fine line but I think he wasn't in the right state of mind to be in the house in the first place...so his removal was correct.
If as a topless model she got so distressed at someone having a peek...then her behaviour in the house will now be judged on what she wears and how she behaves.

[KOZSAM]

Horrific behaviour!! Totally unacceptable for Jeremy Jackson to open Chloe's robe in CBB's show last night. And good that Jeremy has been removed from the house... however I do feel Chloe milked that performance, she knew exactly what she was doing and how that might benefit her, as she is up for eviction this week. Hmmmm

Ken is a totally other matter! Disgusting old man, trying to be controversial for the sake of it. I think he needs to go too!!!

[AnnieK]

In the eyes of the law she was sexually assaulted. As in he exposed her body without her permission. I don't think he meant it maliciously but it shouldn't have happened. It is a violation whether you want to say she was lay by the pool in a bikini or not doing "tit tricks". She didn't invite it

[Cal.]

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Sickened by the reactions that Chloe was too blame - says a lot about the posters though.

I don't see anyone saying she was to blame but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk and bb probably should be rationing the alcohol. I find it quite disturbing that someone can make a drunken pass to a girl who was flexing her breasts just hours before and half the forum is crying rape. She is not a wilting violet virgin victim. Drunken pass. Perspective.

Please tell me we do still live in a world where someone can make a drunken pass and be told no without being practically convicted for rape?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by jaxie

but she shouldnt have been in the toilet with a drunk

why not?